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So to hear. i think it is very important that we have accountability, not only for politicians, but for lawyers. because, without the lawyers enabling them, trump would not have gotten this far. clint, speaking of accountability, on thursday federal prosecutors recommended a 33-year prison sentence for the top two leaders of the proud boys. they were, of course, convicted of seditious conspiracy in the january 6th insurrection. these are the harshest harshest penalties requested so far the. prosecutors argued, quote, no other group of defendants had a bigger impact on the events of january 6th then these defendants, on the men in their command. they also asked the judge to what s known as a terrorism enhancement. and i wonder, as you watch what was requested, what is going down, or extremist groups, clint watts, watching these cases? and, if they are, could it then have an impact on what they ....
Is right. republicans are themselves incapable of making this pivot. but once they see that they have lost and they have lost badly, this would be a series of losses in 2018, 2020, 2022, 2024. at that point, they may, out of self preservation, decide to rejig or their party, and to rethink the entire cult of personality. but until that happens, i see very little sign that they are going to pivot back to reality. jill, you have a new column for the detroit news, and you argue that each of trump s trial should be televised. and i wonder, as i listen to jennifer rubin talk about the way in which this has not broken through with republican leaders, and with republican voters, to the extent to which you believe that transparency might break through to them and, in a larger sense, help preserve democracy. i do think so. it is not guaranteed. because we have seen they have already lost several elections because of him. and yet, they keep sticking with him. so, it is not clear that they ha ....
Jury was never shown. and that is what we need to do again. don t show the jury. show only the witnesses who have all been seen publicly already. so, there is no additional threat to them from being seen again. jennifer, that s one of the things we are going to be watching for this week. we are also going to be watching this republican debate, the biden harris campaign predicting the first gop debate and we will show how the candidates are trying to, quote, out-maga each other. i don t know that there is any disagreement on that point. we know that they are going to be expressing, in general, their fealty to donald trump, with one or two exceptions. they will try to out-mosh other, even on policy questions like america first. and so, i wonder, what it is then, what the surprise could be going into this debate? well, i think the important thing is that for those people who do take a different tack chris christie is the one who most candidly has come out to repudiate trump and who ....
Constitutional question facing our country at this moment, then, is whether we will be able to abide by this clear command of the 14th amendments disqualification clause. i wonder, jill, if you agree. how could you disagree with two eminent constitutional scholars like laurence tribe and judge luttig? i think that they have made a very persuasive case. they have laid it out very clearly, setting out why they think it is self executing. in the past, people have said, oh, you can t bar him unless he is convicted of a crime of insurrection. they make a very convincing case that, if you give aid to insurrectionists, which, clearly, anyone watching the news has seen, that that is enough to bar him, and that that is south executing. so, i hope it is not just because i like that conclusion. but they are very persuasive. i think they are two great scholars. and i have not heard any great scholars arguing against it. jill, jennifer, you are both staying with us. next, the timeline for accou ....
Thought they all participated in these things because i think it s a just cause. well, now we find out the cause is not just and they are being held accountable for it. so, it really changed the calculus i think it will really play out in terms of what we might expect in terms of the trial when we hear talked about as well. speaking of those trials, jill, on thursday, you had trump s lawyers file a motion to delay the federal trial for election interference scheduled in january 2024. the date that they want okay, remember, january 2024 they want april 2026. a lot has been made about just how laughable that is. and i wonder, if you think that ask could actually backfire with the judge. i think it could. my new favorite word is risible. it is risible. if they asked for 2025, you have a legitimate negotiating position. but if you ask for that far out, well after the election, well after the events, it just does not make sense. and there is no legitimate basis. i mean all the ....