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the january six committee, prepping a hearing for tuesday after landing a major witness. trump s white house counsel, pat cipollone, testifying for eight hours friday. and a videotaped and transcript closed-door interview. now remember the committee said that cipollone did not contradict testimony of other witnesses, and a source told nbc news that he was cooperative, quote. cipollone was inside the white house and the days leading up to the insurrection you may recall, including a white house meeting with discussions about seizing voting machines and sending false letters to state officials about election fraud. and he was also in the west wing on january 6th, during the eight hour testimony he was likely peppered with questions about bombshell testimony invoking his name. watch. presidents white house counsel s pat cipollone was also present. do you remember what his position was? pat was very supportive. pat cipollone throughout these conversations was extremely ....
But he needed to at least show up and assert it on a question by question basis. by refusing to appear at all, he broke the law and refused to comply with a subpoena. you can t remedy that after the fact, but i think he can create some confusion with the journey, by raising this issue that donald trump way the issue privileged in until july. now the other issues the money raised, is that he really wants to come in and testify before the committee. if he does, i think he s gonna come and drop some bombs, say a bunch of crazy stuff, i think they would be wise to take his testimony behind closed doors on video before they ever decide which whether it should see the light of day. it s a good point. the committee certainly has a right to do that. renato, let s shift gears a bit and look ahead based on what develop this week. a georgia grand jury issuing subpoenas to some high-profile names in the trump world. senator lindsey graham, rudy giuliani and some others. part of his legal team an ....
Attorneys representing senator graham says he actually intends to challenge that subpoena. how do you see that playing out? i think that this is a political ploy. i think he s just trying to intimidate and bully his way out of testifying. i m sure he doesn t want to be it is likely that the truth is something very damaging or embarrassing to him, but there is nothing that says he is protected from testifying and a grand jury matter. there s an old adage something along the lines of the government is entitled to every man s testimony, just because you re a member of congress does not exempt you from that. there are potential arguments you can make about the speech or debate clause, that really relates to his legislative role. when he s talking about an election, it really is completely outside of that privilege. so i think if she fights this, she will prevail and she will need him to come into testify. all right barbara mcquade, renato moriarty, thank you both for starting us off th ....
Likely possesses information unknown to everyone else, and so i think there s probably a lot of information that we re gonna see. renato, here is what john would, is a former senior investigative counsel for the january six committee, had to say about sarah matthews on this network earlier this week. watch. i expect her to be a very credible witness. she s very young but she had an important role within the white house. i lead the interview as you said, conducted by the staff and i found her to be very credible, so i think she s going to help fill in some of the gaps in the testimony that you ve heard so far and i think it really gain here focus on the days leading up to january six and then really the minute by minute of january six itself. it may not be as explosive as what we heard from cassidy hutchinson, but each of these hearings i think is going to provide additional information at the american people have not heard yet. renato, how is matthews live testimony helped the co ....
And, you know, chastising people who refuse to do so. instead we have the president of the united states doing the exact opposite. it s not opposite day. is it opposite year? yeah. opposite term. opposite term. great minds. great minds. juliette, in the new court filing from cohen s attorneys they say in addition to his interviews with the special counsel that cohen is cooperating with prosecutors from the u.s. attorney s office concerning an ongoing investigation. the new york state attorney general s office civil lawsuit against the trump foundation and state tax authorities. so how worried should the president be? because this is one he can t pardon anybody for, right? that s right. and this is part of the theory that renato and others have been talking about, that mueller has sort of dispersed this case to enough different courts in terms of different legal proceedings ....