of our democracy. we will be covering everything over the next two hours. i am ayman mohyeldin, let's get started. >> ♪ ♪ ♪ >> it's no longer election day, it is election month with just ten days until the midterms, more than 21 million americans had already cast their ballots across the nation, including president joe biden. today, the president and his granddaughter natalie voted in biden's hometown of wilmington, delaware. that comes as president obama hit the campaign trail, urging voters in georgia, michigan and wisconsin to do the same. >> so if you're scared, if you're anxious, if you're frustrated, don't complain, don't do, don't do know, don't get distracted, don't get bamboozled, don't fall for -- you go out and why? >> vote! >> get off your couch and what? >>! vote >> put on your phone and what? >> vote! >> these buttons at the first nationwide election since donald trump began spreading the big lie, following his loss to joe biden back in 2020. that lie of a stolen election that we all know was not stolen. field the violent insurrection at the capitol on january six, and is still creating a atmosphere in which the future of democracy is in doubt and the threat of violence and intimidation hangs in the air. some january six rioters were explicitly looking for house speaker nancy pelosi today, yelling, where is nancy? as they stormed the halls of our congress. two sources briefed on the violent incident tell nbc news that phrase was uttered by the assailant, who broke into speaker pelosi san francisco home in the middle of the night on friday and then assaulted her husband paul with a hammer. speaker pelosi was in d.c. at the time but is now back in san francisco to be with their husband, who is expected to recover after undergoing surgery for his injuries. we still don't know for sure with the attackers motive was, but the san francisco police department said last night, quote, this is not a random act, this was intentional. let's bring in our democratic candidate, congressman pat ryan of new york. he's now in the race for new york city team district. texas state representative jasmine crockett who is running in texas's 30th congressional district. former congressman max rose who is trying to reclaim his seat right here in new york's 11th district, and oregon state representative andrea salinas, the democratic candidate in oregon six congressional district. it's good to have all four of you with us. this is an unprecedented moment to have all four of you on the show. we're very fortunate to have this wide ranging conversation. congressman, ryan, either to start with you. as a member of the democratic -- under speaker pelosi, i want to get your reaction to the dangerous devices weak and your reaction to the attack. >> thanks for having us. it is heinous and unacceptable, and i think it speaks to help toxic our politics have become that this political violence would even be on the table whatsoever. when i signed up to do public service as an army officer, i knew that my life would be at risk, but i did not expect this in member of congress that that would be the case. we have to figure out how to get back to a sense of dignified disagreement, where we can go back and forth constructively. >> state representative crockett, your reaction to the attack on speaker pelosi's has been and the lack of civility in our current politics. >> yeah, it's just another level of hypocrisy that we see coming from the right. unfortunately, right now, we know that the right continues to say that they are the party of law and order but every time we see some sort of violence, especially political violence, it's actually coming from the right. we know what happened on january six. we know that they were not supporting law enforcement on that day. we know that they were not supporting law forsman when they decided to pass these crazy gun laws that they passed in states like texas, and we know that they have not taken that same hard-line stance against violence, as it relates to speaker pelosi and her husband. in fact, we saw so many of them go back on the campaign trail and continue with the rhetoric, the dangerous rhetoric. so if we really want to get to who is really the party of law and order, i don't think there is a question the fact that democrats are leading the way. >> former congressman rose, let me ask you as you try to reclaim or see the iran in 2018. it seems like a lifetime ago, in terms of where politics have evolved from, even though 2018 was contentious compared to what we are seeing now. how has the political rhetoric changed in this country, just in the span of the past four years. >> it's only gotten worse. the threat of violence has only gotten worse, and a big part of it is that we now know doubt, particularly when you look at the extremist rate, which side they will fall upon, when it comes to questions that used to be just absolutely normal, like the approval of the results of an election or being willing to criticize people after they stormed the capitol and force elected officials to literally run for the lives and injure hundreds of police officers. what is very scary right now is that so many officials in those running for office, it seems all they care about is winning the next election. they don't care about the constitution. they don't care about democracy. they certainly often don't care about issues of public safety. that to me is not just set and disgraceful, but it's scary, we are doing everything we can to fix it. >> state representative salinas, how do you keep focused on the needs of your constituents, when there is so much dangerous noises, that we are hearing from former congressman rose on the other side of the aisle? >> yeah, for me, it's really talking to voters about issues that matter. they are done and tired of politicians putting politics personnel people. right now, this is what we are seeing, and republicans are dangerous. this is really extreme when people are being harmed. my thoughts and prayers go out to speaker pelosi and her spouse for a speedy recovery, but we should not be thinking about. this we should be thinking about the needs of the constituents that i am trying to serve in the sixth congressional district. our focus should be on affordable housing, on the cost of living that we're facing right now, on access to abortion and a climate from the future. we can talk about this because the rate has hijacked safety, and they are putting at risk peoples lives. >> congressman ryan, you are voters and constituents, some of these issues we are doing with our nationwide, some more localized. what are you hearing from your constituents about what concerns they have as the midterms approaches? >> i think there are two twin imperatives are now that folks want us to deliver on. one, we have to provide economic relief. the cost of everything, gas, groceries, housing, health care going up, we have to continue to deliver, and we have been delivering. we are to continue to deliver, even more relief, capping lower prescription drug prices, cutting gas tax, so on and so forth. the other piece that cannot get lost in this, we have fundamental rights and american freedoms under that. abortion rights and reproductive freedom ripped away. we have to both deliver relief and fight for rights, and we should not force any american to choose one or the other. we are the party that will deliver and are delivering on both of. those >> state representative crockett, he recently said that we got to stop being so conservative anti democratic party and actually be more aggressive about going -- expand on that for us, what did you mean by it? >> absolutely, so often, we sit there and wait for voters to come in, and there is a lot of voters there are just tired. they're tired of hearing from politicians on the left and right. they honestly are just trying to figure out who really cares about them, and sadly, what we see is this fearmongering that is going on. we had the fake fear coming from the right, and honestly, on the left, we really need to talk about the factual fears. they are making up things like trans children are going to be a problem or that there is a problem with women deciding what they are going to do with their bodies. those are all fake fears, but we have factual fears. factual fears over our democracy, factual fears over the fact that we have children specifically in the state of texas that are sadly enough being raped almost daily, yet they would not be able to seek the reproductive help they need, and they will be victimized again and a state like texas. we had to push hard, and we got to push back on the republicans and make sure we tell them that the facts are really on our site. >> let me play for you a soundbite of former president barack obama, who i still think is a master communicator, one of the greatest communicators in the democratic party and all of american politics, to be honest. let me play this soundbite. this wasn't waukee if you are as we go. >> the fundamental issue, you should be asking yourself for now is who will fight for you? who cares about you? that's the choice in this election. all the other stuff is surface stuff, it's destruction. >> he had a lot a very powerful points throughout the 45 minutes or so he spoke. how does what he's say on that level translate to voters in your district? >> so good -- >> we are reminded every two years when he hits the campaign trail about how much of a master communicator he is. i think more democrats should be messaging like kim. >> there is no doubt, and the president hits the nail on the head, but let's take it to the second question and third question. you look just that the extremist republican party votes, it tells you everything you need to know that they are not on the side of the american people. how can you claim your for public safety and then vote against universal back on checks? how can you claim your for public safety and then vote against banning assault weapons, a weapon i carried combat, has no place being sold in the u.s.. how can you say you're on the side of american people when it comes to lower prices but defend oil companies when their price gouging the american consumer? and then finally, how can you say your patriot but then when it's come time to certify a free and fair election, you rather suck up to the former president who literally tried to kill you? these folks right now are not fighting for the american people, they're actually rooting against the american people because they think any pain they may feel is potentially to their electoral gain. that's the only reason why they never propose any substantive solutions. all of us candidates are eager to hear president obama make more of the speeches because he is absolutely correct. >> i think he has a few more before the midterms. state representative salinas, you're running in a newly formed district in oregon. talk about what you are seeing on the ground and the challenges of trying to reach this new audience? >> yeah, thank you, what we are seeing on the ground is exactly what president obama stated. people want to know, who is fighting for me? who is fighting for me on these economic issues, on gas prices, under suppresses, on economic freedom, and i include abortion in the economic freedom. you cannot choose whether or want to get pregnant, you are not free at this economic constraints. i would say, people are asking me to, and i am telling them, i am delivered. my opponent is an empty shell who is only for himself. he is in this for himself. he is not in it for anybody on the ground, and voters want to know that their elected officials are going to washington, d.c. to actually represent them. and i do believe that people are not pushing back hard enough. i think sometimes, we are not seeing the press actually ask, what is your plan, mr. republican candidate? 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>> i appreciate you continue to point that out. we can't see that ground. look, the republicans did this to me. we had a special election back in our guest and i was outspent 4 to 1 by these dark money republican super pacs trying to spread lies about my record on public safety when i literally wore the uniform in combat. people saw right through it. they saw it for what it was. it was fearmongering to divide us, to try to weaken us, and we stayed on our message and talked about, just like president obama said, we are the ones who actually care about you, we are listening to you, we are delivering for you, we are delivering economic relief, and we are fighting for your fundamental american rights. we can see the ground and get distracted by this. this is the playbook they run every time at the end, and we have to say disciplined and focused. >> max, obama did this big thing in his speech in milwaukee where he brought social security into the room. we often think of it is something that doesn't affect us, certainly if you're on the younger side. but the truth, is his message is it affects everyone your, parents, your grandparents. somebody in this room know someone who is receiving social security. you're running on this platform as well. how do you show people what republicans are about when they are trying to strip americans of this benefit? >> so security is plain and simple. a fundamental promise that has been made to the american people. the fact that the republican party is openly showing us, for all americans to see, what they intend on doing, at least we should applaud them for their honesty. i can't believe they are being this transparent, that they want to raise the age for social security eligibility, that they want to cut social security benefits. social security is not just the elderly. it's also those that desperately need public assistance doing to having face ignorant adversity in their lives. until they are showing their true colors. they're showing their true colors to be the party that only cares about those who can write a corporate pac check, those who have wealthy lobbyists backing them up. it is, again, a resurgence of trickle down economics and only cares about the wealthiest amongst us. and now we are showing the american people that that is where they stand. no matter what the problem is, inflation or otherwise, they will call for cutting things like social security and medicare and being the wealthiest tax cuts. that's why on election day they're not gonna win. >> state secretary andrea salinas, crime is a major problem for voters in your district. how are you framing this conversation based on what we are seeing across the country? >> i'm telling them that i am standing up for a long enforcement. i want all our communities to be safe. my dad was a 30 year police officer. i know what it is like to have a family member who was on the front line trying to keep communities safe. i also realize that not our community members are safe right now. so i am telling the truth and then i'm turning around and telling them that my opponent is actually a hypocrite on this issue. he tries to claim he is the law and order guy and yet he was arrested for controlled substance in a dui where he was almost twice the legal limit for alcohol. this is somebody who is willing to put the public safety at risk, driving drunk, and then trying to claim that he is the law and order guy. none of this is true. voters are going to start seeing right through this. >> representative crockett, you're running in a district where 16% of the people live below the poverty line according to census reports. talk to us about how your constituents have been affected by inflation in how you are pushing back on gop messaging. again, two congressman roses point about gas prices, you have oil companies in this country making record profits right now and the conversation is not focused on the price gouging that is taking place at the hands of these corporations. >> absolutely. right now it is the bread and butter issues, and my republican opposition cannot say anything of substance as has already been pointed out about a lot of our republican opponents. they have no substance. but i can talk to them about the real. is someone who has served in the texas house, i can explain to them that number one inflation is a global thing. the idea that the democrats are as president biden calls inflation is another falsehood in fallacy. i can tell them, you don't have to believe, me just go to google and check around the country. check around the world and see that this wasn't something that we caused. when i tell them those things and i tell them, listen, no one else was fighting to make sure that we could reduce the cost of insulin. something this so many people need to literally survive, something that should have been done way before we had been looking at inflation and how it wasn't affecting us. and so many people could see, yes, this administration and the president, they are working for them every single day. >> all right, candidates, please stick around. we have a lot to discuss. up next, health issues including abortion, covid, and more. don't go away. don't go away. i just couldn't find my way out of it. the lows of bipolar depression can take you to a dark place. latuda could make a real difference in your symptoms. latuda was proven to significantly reduce bipolar depression symptoms. and in clinical studies, had no substantial impact on weight. this is where i want to be. call your doctor about sudden behavior changes or suicidal thoughts. antidepressants can increase these in children and young adults. elderly dementia patients have increased risk of death or stroke. report fever, confusion, stiff or uncontrollable muscle movements, which may be life threatening or permanent. these aren't all the serious side effects. now i'm back where i belong. ask your doctor if latuda is right for you. pay as little as zero dollars for your first prescription. the virus that causes shingles is sleeping... in 99% of people over 50. it's lying dormant, waiting... and could reactivate. shingles strikes as a painful, blistering rash that can last for weeks. and it could wake at any time. think you're not at risk for shingles? 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[applause] it shouldn't be controversial. >> that was president obama in detroit, michigan, earlier. our candidates are back to discuss health care and abortion access. i'll start with state representative andrea salinas on this one. republicans in this country, including your opponent, say they will defer to states on matters of abortion. if you believed what republicans were doing, you see lindsey graham and others trying to push a national ban on abortion. what do you make of what republicans are saying and doing in the local races but what they are also trying to do on a national level? >> oh, i would say that it's very clear that republicans have waged an all out war on women. they don't trust women to make their own health care decisions. i do. my opponent, he is the acting exact opposite, the epitome of a hypocrite. he is our, oregon's herschel walker. what i mean by that is, he paid for his girlfriend to have an abortion, yet he is completely antichoice. so these republicans don't know how to model the behavior. they don't know how to be consistent with their words in their actions. they are absolute hypocrites who should not be trusted. my opponent falls right into line with. this this is a deeply personal issue for. me i was the only member of my family who would hold my sister's hand when she got pregnant and took her to the clinic. she had that decision many years ago and i want her to continue and i want my daughter to have that decision also. >> you made the abortion rights a special issue in your latest campaign. a recent poll said only seven 6% of new yorkers say abortion is the most significant issues facing new yorkers today. what did you hear from voters in your district? >> the polls in every dimension's country have been consistently wrong. every poll had us losing that special election. every expert said don't talk about this issue. we said, in a fundamental american freedom is ripped away from anyone, forget about half of the country. we have to stand up. we have to fight. we have to call it out for what it is, because we know what is next. lgbtq rights, access to contraception, voting rights. so i think that polling has consistently failed to understand that this is all connected, when one freedom is taken away americans will reject that from kansas to new york to alaska, and we are going to see that again. i'm telling you, the polls are missing into this time again. >> representative crockett, abortion is not on the ballot in there but candidates could influence abortion access and policy in this state. describe for us or tell us what is at stake for texans come november. >> we were ground zero for this. i can recall being on the house floor and i was looking at my colleagues thinking you guys don't know what you're doing. clearly we have roe v. wade. and i tell people all the time on the trail that the egg ended up being on my face because i actually believe the supreme court precedents. so it is on the table. it is on the ballot, even for us in texas. everyone knows that everything is a little bit more extreme in the state of texas. and so now, women do not have that reproductive access right now. but whether or not we get this entire country back on track after texas decided to derail everyone, that is on the ballot. right now we know that the republicans are pushing for a nationwide ban. this affects all of us. if we can give back to say a point where roe v. wade, which is a case that was borne out of dallas texas, actually becomes the model and because we go forward with codifying it because we do increase our numbers in the senate, we do the right thing in the u.s. house, ben that absolutely helps texas cope and it helps the rest of the country. it's on the ballot along with all the other rights as the congressman has already stated. it's all interrelated. >> all right, so congressman, rose your pony and has accused him of being an extremist, saying you support abortion up until the very final days are last month, i believe, the moment of birth, is what you, said up to the moment of birth. but let's be clear. research shows that less than 1% of abortions are committed in that window. when it does happen it is really to save the life of the mother. but what does it tell you when republicans are peddling these lies and making it about this particular issue and this kind of framing? >> this is what they do. they lie when they are so petrified of their voting record in their position that they will try to do anything to distract the american people. just look at where my apartment is. also the entire extremist leadership of the congressional republican party. they consistently are saying this is a states rights issue. and they are okay with states enacting abortion bans with no exceptions for rape or incest or anything else. that's the liberal wing of their party. the further conservative wing, representing the majority of them a while as well, wants to federalize this issue for a nationwide abortion ban. the consequences of this policy we are seeing throughout the country right now, women being forced to carry dead fetuses in there warm, other pregnant women being denied chemotherapy. hospitals an abortion ban states being forced to establish councils of lawyers to determine whether or not a pregnant woman can be operated on. this in the united states of america. and they say no no, this is a states rights issue, we're just gonna sit on the sidelines. first of all, that's not leadership. secondly, that represents a long held tradition of extremist republicans saying that in the face of human rights and in the case of women's rights they are going to just say this is a states rights issue. i refuse to allow for that. and that is not representative of the vast majority of americans. and they are going to suffer the consequences of this decision on election. >> the vast majority of americans who thought abortion was subtle and now it's not. candidates, stick around, a lot more to discuss. our final segment with these candidates, the state of our democracy, fighting election deniers and protecting your access to the ballot box. stay with us. ox stay with us for twice the goodness, twice the flavor, and twice the choice. sirloin salisbury steak and all-natural salmon. perfect for lunch or dinner. only at ihop. download the app and earn free food with every purchase. 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what would it mean to have even more election deniers in congress? do you think we would have learned our lesson in 2020, and here we are two years later, with 60% of americans voting in an election where somebody who denies the election is on the ballot. >> honestly, it breaks my heart. it breaks my heart because i know our country is better than this. my opponent is one of this now growing majority who cheered on two busloads of insurrectionist for our community, who's taken campaign contributions from rudy giuliani in the head of the oath keepers, non domestic terrorist group in this country. as you said, that's now mainstream maga republican. major reason i am running and i know a lot of my colleagues, we have to stand up. this is bigger than democrat or republican. this is an american issue. we have to reclaim patriotism and the american flag and what it stands for and our democracy. i want to see democrats across this country saying that consistently over and over. >> representative andrea salinas, there was a recent ap poll that said only 9% of adults think that democracy is working very well compared to 52% say it is not working well. and someone running for congress, how discouraging is that to hear? 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there are so many, we always start with these broad questions to get your personal expertise on it? >> i think the combination is what is so powerful, is that we have so many witnesses there are about to be forced to tell the truth, to testify. i think the court is going to be forced to make a decision that there is no legitimate privilege, either executive privilege or attorney-client privilege. to me, it's been obvious for many years that there is no such privilege, that it gets waived when there is a need for it in a criminal case like this and possibly even for congress. the congress is less clear that it will be way, but certainly, the department of justice, there's no privileged. don't get testimony they're looking for, and that's going to move us forward a lot. i think that the two lawyers particularly have nothing to hide. they particularly seem to have been advised that everything going on was wrong, that it should not be done, so they did the right thing back down and should be proud of the and willing to this if i. >> david, talk to me about the strategy here of trying to crack trump's attorney client privilege claims. it's a tool that he uses often, and people try to use it all the time, but do you think prosecutors will be successful in doing so? >> ayman, it's a matter of time. it's also same song, diverse. we have been having this debate from the beginning, whether you can force presidents close advisers, including his lawyers to testify, and the argument is he is a former president, former advisor, so you should be able to get him to testify. what's pushing back from the other side and no one is talking about is the fact that washington has an interest in maintaining the status quo. both democrats and republicans passed have taken advantage of the argument that the president's closest advisers should not be forced to testify before congress, and what happened that made this difference in addition to what we just heard that it's an incredible investigation is that as these processes continue, pressure is mounting and people are having to talk about how they will look in the history books it don't come forth and doing the right thing. that pressure is going to continue to give more positive results for the country overall. >> jill, federal investigators are interested in trump's, quote unquote, diet coke valet. according to the times, they're not doubting his first account of how classified documents were handled. where do you see this going? >> i think that they will call him in, and that he will have to testify. they must have some evidence that counters what he said for, or they would not be calling him back to challenge what he said before. it's going to be interesting because, it is a real lead to donald trump's personal involvement, his personal role and knowledge, not just someone saying, i told him. but his actually saying to someone else, do this. i think it's an important element of the case and goes to his intent, his knowledge and makes it almost impossible for the department of justice not to proceed with this case. there is no getting around the fact, particularly when you add to that the idea iran and china documents that were very dangerous were in-depth piled or classified information. >> david, trump aide kash patel publicly claim that trump at the cost by the records before leaving office, but the new york times reports that patel refused to answer many questions this month before a grand jury in washington. hearing evidence about trump standing at the documents, citing his fifth amendment right against self incrimination. are those two ideas in congruent? if you so believe that he did the classified documents, why would you be afraid to say that in front of a grand jury and not think that you potentially be self incriminating yourself? >> ayman, i think your instinct is right. there's probably more to it. at the very least, he's afraid of other collateral damage. trump is the type of person where he might try to file a lawsuit against you, and people on the ground note that is a risk if you go up against him. let's take these two things, two steps. first of all, anyone who lived through the era of vhs knows how ridiculous trump's argument is. his argument is, i was allowed to have it for this one reason, so i am allowed to have it for any reason. the fact that you own a tape and pcr, is not me new can record a movie of the television and then use it for whatever purposes. it's very similar we start talking about mar-a-lago documents. then he said talking about individuals having to testify before the country. for you to plead the fifth, there has to be some risk for prosecution, so even setting aside whether or not it makes sense complete the fifth, ultimately, if the prosecutors come forward and say, hey, we're not interested, we won't charge you have anything, then you are going to have to testify. this is an instance where we are seeing throughout the trump litigation, you can run, but ultimately, you can't hide. >> jill wine-banks, david henderson, greatly appreciate it, thank you so much for your