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Transcripts for CNN At This Hour With Berman and Bolduan 20151116 16:21:00

by any stretch of the imagination. as we ve seen in iraq, often a foreign military force is a lightning rod for insurgent activity and focuses minds against the outsiders. there are no good military strategies here. it looks like a focus now of different nations trying to use air power. perhaps getting turkey to seal that border more effectively. frankly, without crossing that porous border, isis are in a much tighter spot. that can begin to turn things around. while it s ridiculous, frankly, to say isis is contained, there s untruth that the territory around syria and iraq has gotten smaller. we were in sinjar has peshmerga take that down. they re in afghanistan, increasingly in libya. they re not a global phenomenon shrinking. you saw firsthand in iraq as you saw them retake sinjar. colonel, i want to get your take on what you heard from the two world leaders.

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