vying to be secretary of state. and in lancaster county, pennsylvania another january 6th rally attendee is now a local judge of elections. let s talk about all of this with rick hassen. he s a professor of law and political science at the university of california irvine. he is also the author of the upcoming book cheap speech: how disinformation poisons our politics and how to cure it. okay, rick. i know you think election subversion is really the most immediate threat right now. so explain first what election subversion is versus, say, voter suppression. yeah, thanks for having me to talk about this because it s a really important topic. the question is are our votes going to be fairly counted? is the winner going to be declared the winner? or is the loser going to be declared the winner? that s a lot harder for people to wrap their heads around because we in the united states don t have experience with elections where the results are fraudulent.
even as a special grand jury has just been requested by a georgia d.a. as part of an investigation into trump s efforts to overturn the results in the peach state. and in arizona after democrat katie hobbs shepherded a fair and secure election in 2020, a trump-endorsed, qanon adherent who attended the january 6th stop the steal rally is now vying to be secretary of state. and in lancaster county, pennsylvania another january 6th rally attendee is now a local judge of elections. let s talk about all of this with rick hasen. he s a professor of law and political science at the university of california irvine. he is also the author of the upcoming book cheap speech: how disinformation poisons our politics and how to cure it. okay, rick. i know you think election subversion is really the most immediate threat right now. so explain first what election subversion is versus, say, voter suppression.