sounds like a tinder profile, doesn t it? enjoys short walks outside the capitol, making money off attacks on democracy, looking for a partner who also likes to rewrite history. i never said that the goal was to overturn the election. that was never the point. and it was never possible. i was very clear from the beginning that i was never attempting to overturn the objection the election. okay. the problem for hawley, it s all on tape. let s play one of hawley s greatest hits again. i just want to pin you down on what you re trying to do. are you trying to say that as of january 20th that president trump will be president? well, that depends on what happens on wednesday. as hawley did this week, he likes to say democrats did the exact same thing that he did, objecting to election results. it happened in 2000. it happened in 2004. it happened in 2016. now it s going to be 2022. let s head back in time, shall we? in 2017 several house democrats
vying to be secretary of state. and in lancaster county, pennsylvania another january 6th rally attendee is now a local judge of elections. let s talk about all of this with rick hassen. he s a professor of law and political science at the university of california irvine. he is also the author of the upcoming book cheap speech: how disinformation poisons our politics and how to cure it. okay, rick. i know you think election subversion is really the most immediate threat right now. so explain first what election subversion is versus, say, voter suppression. yeah, thanks for having me to talk about this because it s a really important topic. the question is are our votes going to be fairly counted? is the winner going to be declared the winner? or is the loser going to be declared the winner? that s a lot harder for people to wrap their heads around because we in the united states don t have experience with elections where the results are fraudulent.
even as a special grand jury has just been requested by a georgia d.a. as part of an investigation into trump s efforts to overturn the results in the peach state. and in arizona after democrat katie hobbs shepherded a fair and secure election in 2020, a trump-endorsed, qanon adherent who attended the january 6th stop the steal rally is now vying to be secretary of state. and in lancaster county, pennsylvania another january 6th rally attendee is now a local judge of elections. let s talk about all of this with rick hasen. he s a professor of law and political science at the university of california irvine. he is also the author of the upcoming book cheap speech: how disinformation poisons our politics and how to cure it. okay, rick. i know you think election subversion is really the most immediate threat right now. so explain first what election subversion is versus, say, voter suppression.
rewrite history. i never said that the goal was to overturn the election. that was never the point. and it was never possible. i was very clear from the beginning that i was never attempting to overturn the objection the election. okay. the problem for hawley, it s all on tape. let s play one of hawley s greatest hits again. i just want to pin you down on what you re trying to do. are you trying to say that as of january 20th that president trump will be president? well, that depends on what happens on wednesday. as hawley did this week, he likes to say democrats did the exact same thing that he did, objecting to election results. it happened in 2000. it happened in 2004. it happened in 2016. now it s going to be 2022. let s head back in time, shall we? in 2017 several house democrats tried to object to the certification of the vote in a