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the indictment, i believe you said 38. we are still counting, going through it. 37 or 38. i m going like this, sandra. you know. sandra: yeah. it s it s over three dozen and it s 40-something page document. john: the 38th count is false statements allegedly on the part of the president s valet and personal assistant. but 37 related to trump and notta together, and then that one separate one, number 38. but i mean, this thing reads like a book. sandra: hard to print. so, we are still going through it, and the top secret records seized by the fbi from the trump home as we learn more, andy, as we touched on earlier, they detailed on foreign nations nuclear capabilities. we obviously have prepared for and had some inkling so far. is this more or less than you expected, where are you on this, andy? it s much more than i expected, sandra, on the substance of the documents. ordinarily when you have a classified information case they have a defense tactic that s ....
The department justice and misled their lawyers and so forth. and so it is, again, not just a case of him taking this information which maybe he could have argued i didn t mean it, maybe could have argued like mike pence did, like joe biden did, like others did, i ll give it back. this was part of a large number of papers that i took when i left the white house. it was the no, i am intentionally not giving it back to you, and i m giving you statements that are not true. and that falls into, again, false statements but also the conspiracy charge. and part of trump makes a political argument when he s in legal trouble, and his political argument, last night he labels everything, labels or gives them a nickname, boxes hoax, because he wants you to think this is not important, this is not serious, that everybody does it. when you read the penalty sheet that comes in any federal indictment, this is where the gravity becomes clear. counts 1 through 31, willful ....
The penalty sheet and that tells us what the former president and this alleged co-conspirator could face, and when you go through this, you have the first group of counts, 31, all under the same statutory provision. each could carry up to ten years of imprisonment, that s a max, and fine up to 250,000. and conspiracy to obstruct justice and withholding a document or record, those are 20 years maximum each. also concealing a document or record, that s another 20 years. in federal investigation concealing a document, another 20 years, and a couple of others that get you to the five years each. so i mean, this is significant jail time if this case proceeds, if it gets to trial without a deal, if there is a conviction on any of these counts, these are not easily brushed away. this is something that is a real danger to anybody who would be facing this indictment. these are real charges with real potential time behind bars and heavy fines which would be the least of the former president s ....