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i can t tell you. it s a guess. i don t know. i don t recall precisely how i learned he was killed. this goes pretty high. to find out that the military were the very people that lied to us. it s outrageous. we are joined by amir who directed the tillman story. thanks for joining us. thanks for having me. when did you know you wanted to make this movie? well, i was there right at the congressional hearings that you just excerpted and it was the first time i saw danny tillman, pat s mom, who also goes by the name mary tillman, and when i was hooked. the first thing i ever heard her say, this isn t about pat tillman and she s been very clear and consistent about that ever since. this is about the principle and it s about whether americans should allow our government to shamelessly lie to us as you see in that clip. what do you think viewers will find most shocking? well, you know, i think the government has been very, very ....