>> i can't tell you. >> it's a guess. >> i don't know. >> i don't recall precisely how i learned he was killed. >> this goes pretty high. >> to find out that the military were the very people that lied to us. it's outrageous. >> we are joined by amir who directed "the tillman story." thanks for joining us. >> thanks for having me. >> when did you know you wanted to make this movie? >> well, i was there right at the congressional hearings that you just excerpted and it was the first time i saw danny tillman, pat's mom, who also goes by the name mary tillman, and when i was hooked. the first thing i ever heard her say, this isn't about pat tillman and she's been very clear and consistent about that ever since. this is about the principle and it's about whether americans should allow our government to shamelessly lie to us as you see in that clip. >> what do you think viewers will find most shocking? >> well, you know, i think the government has been very, very