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Not necessarily illegal but we have certain norms in this country that this president has consistently broken. and this is, that interview with george stephanopoulos is reason 1080, why we know that his counsel would not allow him to sit down with robert mueller. because he cannot help himself. he s saying listen, if they interfere, i don t see what the problem is. his mobster mentality is such that if he can blur the lines of legality and if he can benefit himself, he doesn t fundamentally understand that that weakens american democracy. and this is what the framers have warned us about. and this is what essentially every president has had the decency, democrat and republican, to make sure that they didn t do in the past. let me take it a step further, patrice. wouldn t you, if you had a child that was going before a senate subcommittee. say that they were not seeking information and there are statements by people like michael cohen that the former attorney that has given a differen ....
A distinction to draw there. if a campaign decides that it wants to receive information and by the way this happens on the democratic side as it does on the republican side, then that s very difficult. if it s a law it would go for both sides. i m saying if you get a call as we are told, that i m going to give you some dirt on your opponent, should there be a law that says, you are required to, if it s coming from a foreign source, that you be notified? yes, because you know why this is what george washington told us we should be worried about in 1796 in his farewell address. it s one thing for someone from california to have a little dirt on someone who is a governor of colorado or a senator from new mexico. it is fundamentally different if russia or iran or saudi arabia or the philippines, you see where i m going with the types of countries, then say actually i have dirt on your opponent. you should question what is their motive. exactly. i m going to hold it right there. ....
Duties to protect us and a president who says i don t see what the problem is because of his mobster mentality and courts who are abdicating themselves to the president, everyone is working for donald trump. this is beyond crisis mode and we re seeing a fundamental breakdown of norms of american democracy and we re realizing just how tenuous our american democratic system is. let me ask you, patrice, what christina just said. should mitch mcconnell and the senate and the congress pass a law that you are required, if an adversarial or a foreign government, period, tries to give you information you should immediately report it? should that be a law? i think it would be an interesting tool. certainly to insure that, that campaigns don t receive nebulous information. there s a reason why i think republicans chose not to pass that legislation that was introduced. and so it would be interesting to know why. that s good, now try to ....
That the dam is close to breaking. joining me now, patrice lee owuka, senior policy analyst at the independent women s forum. and christina greer, associate professor of political science at fordham university. patrice, is this not going too far for the president to suggest that there s nothing wrong, whether it be legal or not? there s nothing wrong with taking information from a foreign power, even an adversary? i think it s not a good idea, especially if the information could be dubious or from a source, that s questionable, like a foe. or a nation that wants to undermine what we re trying to do here in this country. but as you did rightly say, there s no legal mandate for a campaign to report any information they receive. it s a good idea, certainly. but there s no, there s nothing illegal about not doing it. i do think that you know, when ....