but, shazam, last week, you come forward with supposedly this new information? there is nothing different in there than what we had on the transcript. maybe that s the reason their star witness, their first witness didn t bring it up. but they had to have something. so you are their closing witness because you overheard the president talking to ambassador sondland. sir, if i can answer. i see four seconds left on the clock. mr. holmes, you may take as long as you need. thank you, sir. i believe that ambassador taylor did already know when i briefed him when i returned from vacation on the 6th. it was not news to him that the president was pressing for a bide investigation. that s not what i asked. i asked why he didn t share with us. mr. jordan, please do not interrupt the witness any further. mr. holmes your time expired yours has not. you may answer the question. it s exactly my point. i briefed the call in detail deputy chief commission. come back, referred to the call
The u.s. presidential election. every one little small like, you know, effort on your part, dr. hill, and you would have known-what you just said was not true. what you had heard. but you felt the need to put it in your 8-page statement before you went on to tell us a bunch of other things that you heard about other people no matter how convinced you were of also which were not necessarily true. one of which was that you said that ambassador sondland met with giuliani. actually, ambassador sondland testified here that he had not, as ambassador, met with giuliani. he briefly met him in his lifetime by shaking his hand and giuliani issued a statement that they had never met, either. this is the problem with no matter how convinced we are, dr. hill, no matter how much we believe we know that what we have heard is true, it is still just what we have heard. but so far, in this hearing, these series of hearings, the only thing that we have is volker saying i spoke to the president and i have
there wasn t an answer. it was a filibuster. mr. jordan we will hear the witness s answer. have you concluded mr. holmes. vicious sir. thank you. mr. hymes. thank you, mr. chairman, dr. hill, mr. holmes, thank you for your testimony. dr. hill, you made a fairly dramatic comment in your statement to which the ranching member took some exception. i m more interested in the ukraine piece of this. but you said some you on this committee appear to believe that russia in its security services did not conduct a campaign against our country and that somehow for some reason ukraine did. i m really much more interested in the ukraine piece of this. but i do want to defend you briefly. i don t know what my colleagues believe, but i do have a pretty good sense of what the effects are of creating ambiguity, of lacking clarity and conviction around the russian attack on the election of 2016. in response to your comment, the ranking member offered up a report, which varies in material respe
certainly. i was also struck by your testimony that you were also the target of false accusations during your time in the trump administration. you testified, ma am, about receiving hateful calls and being accused of being, quote, a mole in the white house. you testified about death threats and calls at your home; is that right. that s correct. that was in 2017. well, i m sorry have you had to go through all of this, ma am. you don t strike me as a woman who is easily deterred. you are not easily deterred, are you, dr. hill. i m not, no. thank you both for your service. i yield back, chairman. thank you, sir. i will thank the gentleman for yielding. just another fact check and, again, my caution to both of you that representations about what prior witnesses said or what you have even said may not be consistent with the facts. this was from ambassador sondland s opening statemen statement i don t recall the specifics of our conversation, but i believe the issue of invest
mr. holmes, in your testimony, you said that sondland said he loves your ass and also said he will do anything you want. mr. holmes that information had nothing to do with the subject matter, the subject matter of any of these hearings. it was antidotal, it was extraneous. your statements your interest are protecting ukraine are very dubious when you embarrass president zelensky by making those statements. he didn t have to make. who cares that ambassador sondland said that? you know you didn t embarrass ambassador sondland. you embarrassed zelensky because you know he got asked that country in his own statement. and hearing that statement as true. the time of the gentleman is inspired. mr. carson you are recognized. does he get to answer. thank you both for your service. dr. hill, i would like to talk a little more in-depth about chief of staff mic mulvaney s role in the event under investigation. you testified, ma am, that mr. mulvaney and ambassador sondland were both involv