To investigate what happened in the past and apply its own laws. No one in the new team had anything to do with anything that may have happened in 2016. They were making Television Shows at the time. Iral i also said it is credible to me that he would have been influenced by financial or personal motives in carrying out duties as Vice President. A different issue is whether some individual ukrainians may have attempted to influence the 2016 election or thought they could buy influence. That is at least plausible given ukraines reputation for corruption. The accusation that he acted independently did not seem credible to me. I connected mayor giuliani and the aide by text lantand later t i phone. They met in person on august 2, 2019. In conversations with me following that meeting which i did not attend, mr. Giuliani said that he had stressed the importance of ukraine conducting investigations into what happened in the past and mr. Yermoc stressed, he said it is their position to conduc
of events. did you explain to him what your understanding of events was? i think i was primarily on receive mode. and ambassador volker, do you recall this conversation? thank you. i do remember a conversation with tim. i m not sure about the timing. i left around that time to go on a trip. and so it may have been a little bit earlier. i m not sure about the timing. but and i do remember the discussion being is, tim asking me, what is my impression of the role that ambassador sondland plays. and my response to that was, well, i find it helpful that he has political contacts in the white house. i don t have those contacts. i m working the national security, the diplomatic front, but offthe politic ti don t hav contacts. so if he was able to use those toward the goal we were all