To investigate what happened in the past and apply its own laws. No one in the new team had anything to do with anything that may have happened in 2016. They were making Television Shows at the time. Iral i also said it is credible to me that he would have been influenced by financial or personal motives in carrying out duties as Vice President. A different issue is whether some individual ukrainians may have attempted to influence the 2016 election or thought they could buy influence. That is at least plausible given ukraines reputation for corruption. The accusation that he acted independently did not seem credible to me. I connected mayor giuliani and the aide by text lantand later t i phone. They met in person on august 2, 2019. In conversations with me following that meeting which i did not attend, mr. Giuliani said that he had stressed the importance of ukraine conducting investigations into what happened in the past and mr. Yermoc stressed, he said it is their position to conduc
Concerning the allegations, i stressed that no one in the new team governing ukraine had anything to do with anything that may have happened in 2016. They were making Television Shows at the time. I also said that it is not credible to me that former Vice President biden would have been influenced in any way by financial or personal motives in carrying out his duties as Vice President. A different issue is whether some individual ukrainians may have attempted to influence the 2016 election or thought they would buy influence. That is at least plausible given ukraines reputation for corruption. But the accusation that Vice President biden acted inappropriately did not seem at all credible to me. After that meeting, i connected mayor giuliani and mr. Yermak by text and later by phone. They met in person on august 2nd, 2019. In conversations with me following that meeting, which i
did not attend, mr. Giuliani said that he had stressed the importance of ukraine conducting investigations in
understand that most of the other people didn t see or didn t consider this distinction that for them it was synonymous. well one of the people who saw synonymous turns out to be the president of the united states. i take it you didn t know until the call record was released that the president in that call doesn t raise burisma, he asked for an investigation of the bidens, is that right. that is correct. i take it since you say that you acknowledge that asking for an investigation of the bidens would have been unacceptable and objectionable, that had the president asked you to get ukraine to investigate the bidens you would have told them so. i would have on theed to that, yes, sir. mr. goldman. thank you, mr. chairman. just one follow-up on that, ambassador volker. when you say thread the needle, you mean that you understood the relationship between vice president biden s son and
meeting between national security adviser bolton and then ukrainian chairman of the national security council. as i remember, the meeting was essential i had over when ambassador sondland made a comment about investigations. i think we all thought it was inappropriate. the meeting concluded. later on in the war room, i may have been engaged in side conversation or had already left the complex because i did not recall further discussion regarding investigations of burisma. third, i did not understand that others believed that any investigation of ukrainian company burisma which had a history of accusations of corruption was tan amount to investigating vice president biden. as long been u.s. policy under multiple administrations to urge ukraine to investigate and fight internal corruption. i was quite comfortable with ukraine making its own statement about its own policy of investigating and fighting
burisma but you were trying to separate the two of them in your mind? is that right? i believe that they were separate. that and this references the conversation i had with mr. giuliani as well. where i think the allegations against vice president biden are self serving and not credible. separate question is whether it is appropriate for ukraine to investigate possible corruption of ukrainian that s may have tried to corrupt things or buy influence. to me thashgs ve, they re very things. the former is unacceptable. understood. you understood the relationship between hunter biden and burisma? i knew he was a board member of the company, yes. that s why it was so posh to maintain the distinction. let s focus on the july 25th call for a moment. and mr. morrison, july 25th was day number what for you as the senior director overseeing