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anymore. and here we are now. thank you so much, joyq■. good evening, from new york, i am chris hayes, andñr■it is a big night with major historic breaking news. and i mqgoing to be with you for the next hour entirely. and after that, the one and only rachel maddow will be here. kmt. x■so, we expect that somelp time early next week that the former president of these united states willoki] surrender to the manhattan district attorney s office where he will be arrested and face arraignment on felony criminal charges. and that m■jul■ afternoon a grand jury in manhattan voted to indict donald trump i of their son baron. this is the culmination of an investigation that s been five years and two districtf■ attorneys. in recent weeks, as the case neared a close, or appeared to, we saw key witnesses testify before the grand juryñr■ down i■ m■attan, including michael cohen, trump st■r and fixer, who actk!ñ■made the payments toçó■daniels in october ....
charges, in this case is jus the tip of the iceberg washington post reports that a federal judge has grante prosecutors requests to forc trump lawyer evan coren to testify before grand jury abou the former president possession of classified documents. he handled the initial respons to requests for trump s team t return the documents, an refused to until investigators questions, citing attorney client privilege that defense is now gone joining me now, former actin solicitor general of the unite states professor of law georgetow university, and msnbc lega analyst. anthony, holy former directo of the author of public affair in the department justice, and former senior adviser to attorney general merrick garland. and pulitzer prize-winning journalist charlie savage. washington correspondent for the new york times, msnb contributor, and author of power wars, the relentless ris of presidential authority an secrecy. what a powerhouse panel i have with me this morning i m going ....
Senator, was indicted an prosecuted, he was acquitted those are people who have wa more resources than your average defended getting arraigned and booked i brooklyn or manhattan, right but it s also the case tha this has happened before the idea that rachel maddow made this, point rachel maddow it s happened in our country - not to former president, but a very powerful former political leaders. it happened to leaders in othe countries. the point of the rule of law - where it catches out is, the process is what matters. right, you are exactly. right in the process is th process and people need to understand that. it is a critical point for viewers to understand. this is going to be a very lon and extracted process. and let s be clear, as you v already said, the indictment i has not been unsealed yet. we literally do not know wha he has been charged with - right? and it could be simply as straightforward as the falsified bookkeeping. it could be much mor convoluted and complica ....
Watching this unfold you know, i think the realize this is the new normal now. we have a swirl of reactions t this event as a kind of hard at last, there is excitement perhaps or solemnity o whatever, but i think the poin that brandi was just making an you are making, chris, is this salient one. normally charges are brought and it s the time for societ to take a step back and see ho it plays out will not be happening here every routine pre litigation motion is going to be played out in this crazy crucible, no just with trump, but also j.d. vance, and rhonda desantis, an it s going to be not just crazy but an unbelievabl stressful moment for the system in that sense i think they are falling hard the point you were just making about the relative ....
Garland justice department, it was not the obama justic department that was the donald trum justice department, saying those things some of these already gone t jail for that when you hear republicans say, this is all spun up int nonsense, it s hard to explain that last trump justic department indictments right, anthony since her nam is been about a couple of time by neal, a couple of questions how does the justice departmen view what trump did yesterday? what he said yesterday in th social media post? speaker mccarthy s promis to use the highest power o investigation to investigate the israeli general. is this something that raise alarm bells within doj, and in particular maybe or maybe not? ....