his reckless words endangered my family and everyone at the capitol that day. and i know history will hold donald trump accountable. now, pence s testimony may help do exactly that. joining me now is msnbc legal analyst neil castillo who just argued his 50th case before the supreme court. that s a lot of cases argue before the supreme court, congratulations, thank you for making time for me today. i want to start with the question most of my friends are wondering, and family. what pieces of the story can mike pence uniquely offer or answer to the grand jury? i think pence coming in to testify is to use the words of that poet your former boss a big effing deal. the idea that a former vice president is going into a criminal grand jury and testifying about what his boss did, that is beyond historic. and if i am jack smith, what do i want to know?
should be available for former president that commit crimes i don t think you get specia treatment because you have secret service protection. even this crime in new york, there is a lot of criticis about the district attorney fo saying that this is aggravatin this to a felony i think that s wrong, i thin there s a lot of reasons why i will be considered a felony, even though they can stand u in court even if it s a misdemeanor, in new york, a misdemeanor has up to a year in prison as part of its criminal activity. there is a guy named donal trump, who in 2016, he campaigned on lock her up, loc her up, about hillary clinton. what was he accusing hillary clinton of not a felony, a misdemeanor. this is serious stuff. neil castillo, andrew weissmann, thank you again ver much for starting off ou discussion tonight we always appreciate it. thank you. you can listen to more o andrew weissmann s analysis of
when he was out on bail. in federal court, he could fin himself in jail awaiting trial neil castillo, i for on don t think that there is an practical way of forme president being sent to jail i think home confinement is th best you can, do you given tha they have a dozen secret service agents with them, th complexity of that contempt of court in a lot o jurisdiction involves finds. the judge can just hit him wit a big fine, payable immediatel that day it is a marble, and i get what andrew said. i m learning a lot about the new york position on this, and it is different from other states i think that s very helpfu indeed lightning about where w are tonight. it is hard to imagine fo another year of donald trump attacking this judge and his family there are certainly finds that are available, but before we go to - i do want to push back against the premise of your question it does seem to me the jai
deliberately was - with a lie about the power o the vice president, i thin that s a huge home run for justice. neil castillo, how many way does donald trump have t publicly confess in th documents case for jack smit to be ready to go? this latest one, as president, i have the right to declassify documents, and the process i automatic. if i take them with me, it s automatic. the government hasn t even referred to the fact that th documents are classified, when they were going for that searc warrant. that was not what it was about it was not about governmen documents, classified or not along with other element that s - but it seems like a confession plays into first of all, lawrence, before we get to the stole arguments case
confusion you ve been feeling about that news today, we are very lucky tonight to have the best available expert to talk about that. no one currently working in the district attorney s office is, of course, available to us. but we are going to start off our discussion tonight with dan horowitz, former manhattan assistant district attorney who was a top prosecutor of the white-collar crimes unit, like the possible crime is being investigated by the trump grand jury. also with us, neal katyal, former acting us solicitor general, msnbc legal analyst. neil, let me begin with you in what is the latest news of the day, that is, donald trump, to no surprise, apparently filing an appeal to try to block testimony of his former staff, based on executive privilege. how much time on the clock can he eat up with that appeal? very little, i think, lawrence, in the end. first of all, of course, donald trump had to appeal. the judge ordered mark meadows, his former chief of staff, to