confusion you ve been feeling about that news today, we are very lucky tonight to have the best available expert to talk about that. no one currently working in the district attorney s office is, of course, available to us. but we are going to start off our discussion tonight with dan horowitz, former manhattan assistant district attorney who was a top prosecutor of the white-collar crimes unit, like the possible crime is being investigated by the trump grand jury. also with us, neal katyal, former acting us solicitor general, msnbc legal analyst. neil, let me begin with you in what is the latest news of the day, that is, donald trump, to no surprise, apparently filing an appeal to try to block testimony of his former staff, based on executive privilege. how much time on the clock can he eat up with that appeal? very little, i think, lawrence, in the end.
any magic to this, there s nothing secret, there s nothing nefarious going on. i think this is, unfortunately, part of the process. where you ve run into these previously scheduled breaks that the grand jury has, i think they said this last night, it s not just this special grand jury, i know because i m involved in another matter involving another special grand jury, in manhattan. that the same break is being given to that special grand jury. this is not unusual. neil castillo, the other appeal news, mike pence pondering what his appeal options are from the order that he has to testify to that same grand jury about the january 6th investigation. what do you suspect will be the calculation and that appeal? if he makes the appeal? yeah, pence and trump clearly lost yesterday, the federal judge basically saying, pence these immunity claims out of
be careful and deliberative. before they vote any vote, any case of, particular complex case, particularly one involving a former president of the united states. so, i don t think that there s any magic to this, there s nothing secret, there s nothing nefarious going on. i think this is, unfortunately, part of the process. where you ve run into these previously scheduled breaks that the grand jury has, i think they said this last night, it s not just this special grand jury, i know because i m involved in another matter involving another special grand jury, in manhattan. that the same break is being given to that special grand jury. this is not unusual. neil castillo, the other appeal news, mike pence pondering what his appeal
of new york. he is professor of practice of it and why you lost. colossal nil cattle, - they are both msnbc lega analysts neil, let s start with you since you are in the room, you heard the moment where mik pence said that history will hold donald trump accountable. and before you answer, i wan the audience to see just how you are decked out on saturday night. there he is! there is the white tie selfie. that s the typical saturda night for neil cattle. look how happy he looks afte having listened to mike pence! neil, this event is supposed t be funny i ve heard al gore give th funniest speech of his lif behind those closed doors that was not reported publicly back in the day i didn t read any jokes from mike pence but what was your reaction t
our account of the grid iron dinner tonight will of cours come from our favorite washington guest, who always has his white tie entail a costume hanging in the close and ready to go. neil castillo, who was there saturday night when mike pence in what no doubt passed fo bravery in mike pence s mind said in a room where cameras and recording devices were banned, history will hol donald trump accountable mike pence was talking about the january 6th attack on th capitol. mike pence said, tourists do not injure 140 police officers by sightseeing tourists don t break down door to get to the speaker of the house or voice threats against public officials and here is the line that mike pence probably plans to us some day, on the republica primary debate stage in hi losing presidential campaign against donald trump