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he is south africa s most prominent, most controversial political cartoonist. so, amid all of its troubles, is south africa able to laugh at itself? jonathan shapiro, better known by the pen name zapiro, welcome to hardtalk. thank you. well, it s a great pleasure to meet you, and i want to begin with something you said a few years ago. you said, moral outrage is what drives a cartoonist. you ve been at this cartooning for pretty much four decades. can you maintain outrage for four decades? you can. when i was doing five or six cartoons a week, i would sometimes wonder what the hell i m going to do today, and you wake up in the morning and the news itjust keeps coming. it would happen to cartoonists everywhere in the world because that s what drives all of us, i m sure. anyone who takes this craft, or this genre of communication seriously. but in a place like south africa, the news just hits you from every angle every day at an unbelievable rate. i wonder whether the ....
jonathan shapiro, better known by the pen name zapiro, welcome to hardtalk. thank you. well, it s a great pleasure to meet you, and i want to begin with something you said a few years ago. you said, moral outrage is what drives a cartoonist. you ve been at this cartooning for pretty much four decades. can you maintain outrage for four decades? you can. laughter when i was doing five or six cartoons a week, i would sometimes wonder what the hell i m going to do today, and you wake up in the morning and the news itjust keeps coming. it would happen to cartoonists everywhere in the world because that s what drives all of us, i m sure. anyone who takes this craft, or this genre of communication seriously. but in a place like south africa, the news just hits you from every angle every day at an unbelievable rate. i wonder whether there s something personal about this outrage, which clearly developed quite young in you. you had a lot of trauma in your family, in your life ....
democratic politician who has had enough and the governor of texas defending his state s gun laws. in washington halle jackson with garrett haake and tom llamas in texas. garrett, we re specifically talking about this warning from the shooter, that he was going to not only shoot his grandmother but he was going to attack an elementary school. a spokesperson clarified these northern the facebook posts, no the public posts. these were private messages that apparently or presumably were only found after the fact. what else are we learning? reporter: yes, that s right. we heard about those private messages from the governor in this press conference just now. he also described in a little more detail how this shooting took place, how it began on the street behind me, where the gunman shot his own grandmother after what appears to be some kind of argument and drove to the school, his truck off in a ditch getting into a classroom and essentially barricading himself inside. h ....
To people who kind of need clarification or if something is very funny or very shocking, but itjust does hit the mark, that s what i was trying to do. and he s never escaped from that image, but perhaps even darker was your decision to draw this cartoon. you ve drawn him, it would seem, as a would be rapist, a man who was about to force himself upon ladyjustice, the symbol of lady justice. and there are individuals, political figures in south africa who are holding ladyjustice down, aiding and abetting zuma. this is dark. yeah, it is dark, and there were people who were angry at me for portraying him in this gang rape scene about to happen when he d been acquitted of actual rape. and the thing is. and he sued you. he did sue me, and that was ....