Respects but the king as well. You cap tur too captured it so perfectly. And it is a jovial moment, people making friends in the cue, but certainly, this is one of those poignant moments that shows you, this is what it is all about for people. We are still in this 10day period of mourning. I was just near westminster palace, before the king and of course, his siblings stood vigil there, and the vin, Vigil Of Princes, a stoic position, and you could hear a pin drop, and everybody waiting for a catch to catch a glimpse, and one of the places theyre cueing now, there is a cue for the cue for the filing behind me in Southern Park this morning and at the time they werent letting anybody in, because it was at capacity, and the sign actually said, from this point, you will be waiting at least 14 hours, be prepared. And despite that, there were throngs of people coming in droves with smiles on their faces, with backpacks, small bags ready to be in for the long haul and i spoke to one person who was from estonia, snacks and a coat in his backpack, he knew it was twould be a chilly night but absolutely willing to do this and now that wait is about 22 hours long. So it will be a chillier night. We know this is a very important moment for people to feel like theyre a part of it. They dont just want to watch it on tv. And i also spoke with a psychologist about this. And she said that britain is a nation of cuers, and it is almost an attraction in and of itself and it is a way to feel grounded in a time of limbo, in a time of upheaval, political and economic, and people have been making friends and she told me that is a beautiful king to give to the people. And we are seeing a Vigil Of Princes here, for the next few minutes, we will see her majesty the queens eight Grandchildren Stand Vigil Tomorrow as well, including princes and harry and we know they will continue to file, just for their chance to bow, to curt cy, to say thank you you to their queen. We saw the king alone walking by himself out of the vigil. You talk about the Vigil Of Princes as a tradition that began in 1936, i want to bring in tim, and as you look at the images live, what stands out to you . I think one of the things that ive been reflecting on, as we began this process, talking about the british monarchy, many days ago now, and one of the things that we discussed was the popularity or lack of it of the new king, and how he would be able to step up to the job. Well today, he began today by speaking largely in welsch to a parliament, and then bunched into the crowd, and shook hands with lots of people, and talked to people individually, for hours. And this evening, he is back again, grieving in public. And he had a big challenge ahead of him. And i think generally speaking, i mean there were some dissenters there, to be fair, today, but generally speaking, i think people now feel that he has actually really risen to the challenge. There was also a moment that we saw, Prince Andrew, in his military uniform, according to what a royal source is telling our team there, in london, as a sign of respect to the queen. Well, i think we can safely say this. That they will not see Prince Andrew appearing in public in that uniform again. Unless in his lifetime there is another big state funeral. Which obviously we hope there wont be. He has been able to wear that uniform, the uniform of the fice admiral of the royal navy, tonight, for the last time, when he goes to the funeral on monday, he will have to go in mourning dress, not in uniform, and he will not anymore be taking part in the public life of the royal family, and a little earlier, there was talk about the shrinking size of the royal family, the slimming down, well, hes going to be completely absent from it, from next week onwards. Tim ewart, lindsey reiser, thank you very much for your perspective and for your reporting here, as we continue our coverage of a country saying goodbye to its queen. We will have much more here on msnbc. But we do have other news to get to in washington and beyond. A florida judge overseeing the trump document investigation telling the Special Master that independent third party to get to work, naming a new york federal judge dearie to start looking at documents taken at maralago and getting back to work on the documents, saying the d. O. J. Will appeal the decision. We are waiting for the appeal. We will bring in the justice Correspondent Ken Dilanian and legal analyst holly winestein. What we are expecting may come in a matter of minutes or hours or may not. Well, the appeal of course, and in terms of what happens now, thats the first thing that could happen, is that the Justice Department is going to ask the Appeals Court the same thing they asked this judge, which is to stay part of the order, and allow them to use the classified documents in their Criminal Investigation, so well see what happens with that. But in terms of what the Special Master is being asked to do, hes being asked to review documents to see whether any of them are subject to attorneyclient privilege and Executive Privilege and whether any of them are Donald Trumps personal documents that dont belong in a Criminal Investigation. The issue with attorneyclient privilege, p this is so bizarre. I mean this senior judge is being asked to rule on what are personal and protective president ial communications. Theres no precedent for. That and its not clear what law hes supposed to apply. The judge doesnt really say that. Because theyre saying it is not entirely clear and there Supreme Court case has interpreted Executive Privilege but it is not that well settled, the law on Executive Privilege, and the Justice Department by the way, insists there is none of that anyway. But the good news here, for the Justice Department, is that the judge instructed the Special Master to review the 100 or so classified documents first. So its possible that wont take very long. But theyll have their classified documents, which is the thing that they seem to really care about anyway and the whole thing may end up being a speed bump instead of a road block. Ken, ill let you get back to your reporting work. I know you have a lot to do. Thank you. Let me go to you. The judge here, the Special Master hat two and a half months now to do his work. Do you think he will make full use of that time. I do, in fact, im not sure thats enough time, and thats because i think that his assignment doesnt really make sense, i mean let me be clear, i was a prosecutor in the Eastern District of new york, so i appeared before judge dearie many times, and he is a very fine conscientious judge, but the assignment that they have given him is hard to understand, because the trump team really had no answer to the d. O. J. s argument just about these 100 documents, which was its not possible for classified documents to either contain attorneyclient privilege or be subject to Executive Privilege of a former president in a way that would mean the government, the current government, the currents executive branch, cannot have them. So it sounds like what judge dearie is being asked to do is to make new law, resolve new legal questions, and of course, thats a very strange and aberrant thing to ask a Special Master to do, and it is still really unclear why there needs to be a third judge designing some of these questions, and at this moment, before an indictment has even come down. So i do worry that all of this is going to spin out legal questions upon legal questions, that will make that November 30th Deadline come really soon, and that if the 11th circuit does not intervene, and overrule judge cannons opinion, that this thing will drag on. Because of what you had just laid out, tali, help us understand, give us some insight into what it must be like to have an assignment like this that you did not ask for land in your lap. Right. So you know, i described judge dearies a conscientious with intention, because he will do what, his very best as what he is asked and i cannot imagine a person more capable of taking on this assignment. But it seems so simple, in that twopage order, just take out the things that might be Executive Privilege. Lets just pause on that. You know, ken gave us some focus on that issue. Even if you think it is possible for there to be some residual privilege that a former president has, at best the Supreme Court has hinted that that might exist if a Different Branch of government is trying to get something that the former president had some privilege over, when he was in office. The idea that a, the sitting government, that joe bidens presidency, cannot take classified documents, because donald trump had read them and looked at them and possessed them earlier, really just makes no sense, and judge dearie will have to pass on a question like that before he does the sortsing work, the work of Segregating Paper that is more traditionally one what a Special Master is supposed to do. A Special Mast Ser supposed to be a helper to the District Court, particularly when something is really voluminous, he is not supposed to be a substitute for the District Court judge, and certainly not deciding these hard questions in front of a judge who came in to a Criminal Investigation that was existing before a Different Court in florida. Tali, thank you so much for your analysis. Good to see you, as always. Coming up, we will take you live to chicago, where Vice President harris is making a big push for Abortion Rights today. 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The administration we understand based on our reporting has already offered this notorious russian arms dealer in exchange for the two americans. Things on that front seem to have kind of stalled. Now sources tell nbc news that russia is demanding another prisoner in u. S. Custody, be included in any kind of swap. I want to bring in msnbc White House Correspondent carol wie with us now, talk through this moment in time now. Because i know that these families, they talked about this publicly, some of them, have wanted to keep up the pressure on President Biden, i think they saw that worked in the case of trevor reed, another american who had been detained, the reed family was extremely public and it feels like this is part of a full court press. Right, and what were seeing is that the president , who is under a lot of pressure, public pressure to bring paul whelan and Brittney Griner home and much like trevor reed and moving from a phone call from the sister of paul whelan and the wife of Brittney Griner earlier this summer, and now he will have separate meetings with each of them and were told that the president will convey that this is a top priority for him, the white house saying that this is something that he is very focused on and wants to convey that personally and thats what he will do in these meetings and also update them on where things stand and as for that, what were learning is that russia, there is an offer on the table from the u. S. , and to the administration is saying, and russia has just not counteroffered or accepted it. And now theyre saying that negotiations nonetheless are still ongoing but thats where things stand right now. The Press Secretary at the State Department talked about this a little bit. Take a listen. Why this process is taking so long is a better question for moscow than it is for us. Its a better question for moscow, because as i said, we took the initiative to put a substantial proposal on the table. I wouldnt characterize this process as stalled. It certainly hasnt moved with the speed we would like. So you hear the administration saying that, look, this is moving forward, even though russia isnt responding, that its not like negotiations have completely shut down. What that means, we just dont know. One thing that the white house said today is that they are following the same lines of communication and the process that theyve done with trevor reed, while declining to go into very specific details on that. But the u. S. Is willing to negotiate with the arms dealer in prison and now russia is sort of upping the and they, according to the administration officials, with this numerical parity thing, they want two for two. Carol lee, great reporting from the white house. Good to see you. Thank you. For more on the negotiations with russia and other key events happening overseas, i want to bring in john kirby, Strategic Communications for the National Security council, live from the north lawn of the white house. Mr. Kirby, its good to see you. Thank you for being back on the show. Happy to be here. Sure. Lets me start with this meeting between President Biden and the griner and whelan families, two separate meetings i understand, have they happened, ongoing, are they done, what can you tell us . They havent happened yet. There will be two separate meetings. One with each family and happen a little later this afternoon. And then well be able to provide a general sense after the meetings when its over. Do you have a sevens the goals or the expectations on the do you have a sense of the goals or the expectations from the white house end from the meetings plural . And we talked about that earlier in the briefing room. The president is looking forward to this mee