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in washington d.c. as the ministry of islamic affairs which is an arm of the saudi arabian government. they had extremists in it. some had diplomatic ties to the government at the same time they had phone numbers of al qaeda operatives in the f phonebooks d they were making phone calls to some of these operatives just days before the attacks. so the american people are right they do not understand the level the kingdom had not only in logistically setting up the support network that was needed but the financial support that they gave to al qaeda and to september 11 attacks. stay for another trying to get on the golf green with the pga. terry is the leader in the 911 family movement and about this and against this. terry, thank you, thank you for speaking out precooked thank you eric. eric: of course, arthel. arthel: the this growing followd over nato s decision to keep ukraine out of the alliance our next guest says that s a critical mistake we are going to talk to ambassador kurt volk

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