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Take these kinds of actions and with inaction by the justice department is the implicit answer yes. it is sort of the million dollar question that hangs over all of this and barbara, liz cheney s also skilled at moving public opinion, but also doing it with enough knowledge of some of these legal standards and i know you have some analysis of what a jury will be told on the question of willful ignorance. explain that. yes. when she used that phrase yesterday it really caught my ear because it is a concept that comes out in criminal law and it does suggest that she s not only talking about telling the whole story. willful blindness is because we cannot read another person s mind we need to draw inferences about what it is they thought and what it is they knew, and so a jury may be instructed that you may find that donald trump actually knew that he had lost the election, if he ignored a high probability of that fact ....
That, you know, if they hadn t been there things would have been worse. as bad as that decision or that meeting in the oval office or that you couldn t imagine how bad it would have been if they had not been there. so in one sense that was a reason how a lot of people justified it to themselves and their colleagues,ing how they were able to serve in the trump administration. now there is, to be fair, a kernel of truth to that. you in your run up laid out a pretty damning indictment of pat cipollone. although when you go to that december meeting, in between the factions of sidney powell, mike flynn, giuliani, cipollone is sort of a voice for reason, but it is a voice for reason in a structure where reason is saying you can t storm the capitol and overturn the results of a free and fair election. so it s a stunningly low bar. ....
There was never any fraud, there was never any evidence. pat cipollone knew the president was lying and spreading those lies. he knew it was dangerous and he knew precisely what those dangers were. he would do anything, he wanted to talk to the january 6th committee last friday. in fact, more than almost anyone else, he enabled trump for the two years prior to all of this while he served as white house counsel in the donald trump white house. in january 2020 he defended trump ugh during the senate trial for his first impeachment. watch. you know what the right answer is in your heart. you know what the right answer is for our country. you know what the right answer is for the american people. what they are asking you to do is to throw out a successful president on the eve of an election with no basis and in ....
On the one hand, the committee is focused on filling out the historical record of the attempt to overturn the election and its violent conclusion. on the other, its members are laying out an unmistakable map to a potential criminal case against the former president and his allies and the justice department may soon get a much clearer picture of that map for a potential criminal case and bennie thompson dropped a significant bit of news after the hearing tuesday telling cnn that the committee has started producing information for the justice department regarding interviews that the committee has conducted. the january 6th select committee filling in the blanks on donald trump s potential criminal pull culpability is where we start the hour. also joining us carol leonnig for the washington post. former u.s. attorney barbara mcquade and former top official at the state department all msnbc contributors. you and your colleague ben ....
Machines and the subject of that off the hook, unhinged december 18th meeting in the oval office. donald trump is again, the lever puller in all of them including demanding that they change the speech for the january 6th rally at the last minute to include the most, you know, vitriolic element which is to paint a target on vice president pence s back if he doesn t do what donald trump has been beseeching him to do for at least a week which is not certify the election and toss it up in the air. it s not constitutional. it s not legal for the vice president at that time to do this, but that s what trump wants. as for the investigation by the justice department i think there s a lot more to it that we don t see right now, and i hope we ll be reporting in the near-term that there will be good reporting and katie s has ....