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correspondent ken dilanian and also nbc legal analyst. ryan, what do we know at this moment? reporter: we know the jury will be delivering this verdict at any moment now. it s a partial verdict. we are expecting any second to find out what those initial conclusions were. we know after they deliver this verdict, whatever counts were outstanding, the judge is going order them to deliberate those counts. right now, we re unsure what counts they were able to reach a conclusion on, any one of the counts. and which ones they re still split on. they need to continue to deliberate and see if any of the holdouts on either side there were in the minority of the jurors will be able to ultimately move away from or be convinced of. being that they have been deliberating for about a week now, although there have been some half days mixed in there, i think when they go back, it will be a bit of a challenge. and that s why the judge at the beginning of this instructed them not to com ....
convicted of seditious conspiracy for their roles. members of both groups were seen meeting with each other in a garage right outside the capitol the night before the attack. joining me now is justice reporter ryan reilly who has been covering the trial, former lead prosecutor andrew weissmann and former federal prosecutor glen kerschner. are you willing tonight to condemn white supremacists and militia groups and to say that they need to stand down and not add to the violence? give me a name. proud boys, stand back and stand by. ryan, one of the defenses was that they were just following the leader, donald trump, in the encouragement from him. they have been convicted of seditious conspiracy. talk to me about what s happening. reporter: that s right. they explicitly blamed donald trump. during the trial, blaming donald trump for some of the problems that the proud boys are screening new members. after the click, that was a major boon for the proud boys. they pr ....
Criminal referrals that congressman raskin listed off there, that sort of was the climaic final work and the bred crumbs left by jack smith, the fact that pence and meadows have been in before the grand jury investigating january 6th, does any one of those the crimes referred leap out for you? the order raskin used is exactly the order that i think we ll see in the indictment. the lead charge here in my view is 1512 c, the evidence that the president and his co-conspirators specifically intended to obstruct, impede, or interfere with a official proceeding, a joint session which president biden s election was certified, is the lead count. i think the others are important to. i think the least likely is the aid and comfort to an ....
Insurrection. that is a statute that has not been used by federal prosecutors, not been brought against any of the january 6th rioters. it s unclear what aid and comfort means, what s the intent level. so i think that is the one of the four is the most obscure or least likely. but 1512, from our investigation, we headlined with that statute, i think that is likely the operating assumption, the approach that the special counsel has taken. that s the lead count. unless they have additional evidence. that s how i would expect an indictment to read. congressman raskin named eastman. is that a conspiracy that you would imagine jack smith would charge, a conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding? yes. i think you ll see an indictment that will charge the former president, the leader of a group. conspiracy an agreement, a group ....