cloud, you d imagine those kind of things at points probably could have been tough. so, how critica is it that at some point they get brian to cooperate so we can get closure on this? i think it s critical, but i think there are ways to figure it out without his cooperation. i still think there s enough law enforcement techniques out there, the general public, the parents are going to break down eventually because they don t want to see him get into an altercation with police and into a desperate situation. so, i mean, they d like to have his cooperation, obviously, he s not going to have it right now and not going to get it, but i think that time takes care of that eventually, fatigue sets in. charles: yeah, and i think there s a lot of fatigue to your point already. it s been a number of days. we did see police officers go into his home, come out and go get some paper bags to go back in so we should presume that maybe they found some item or items that could be used in a search?
mohammed or abu zubaydah, they are not going to freely give up that information. in fact, this is what i would say. what general mattis had said was and i ve got a lot of respect for the man but he said, give me some beer and a pack of cigarettes and i think i could get more. that s the rapport building approach. yes. here s the problem with that. you ve got to ask yourself, would general mattis give up information that could potentially get his countrymen killed and disrupt our attacks for a michelob and winston? he s not going to do that, and neither would ksm. the only thing standing between another catastrophic attack from some senior person is whether or not that person is willing to voluntarily provide that information to us. so you feel that because america no longer uses enhanced interrogation techniques, that it s a less safe place? they no longer even can use law enforcement techniques. the local mall cop has more choices as to what kinds
and neither would ksm. the only thing standing between another catastrophic attack from some senior person is whether or not that person is willing to voluntarily provide that information to us. so you feel that because america no longer uses enhanced interrogation techniques, that it s a less safe place? they no longer even can use law enforcement techniques. the local mall cop has more choices as to what kinds of interrogation techniques to use than the cia interrogator. so america is less safe, in your view, as a result? it is less safe as. notjust this, but a lot of things have happened in the last eight years. but, you know, one person who has been tortured is the republican senator, john mccain. yes. ..the vietnam war veteran. and he wrote in the washington post in 2011, i know from personal experience that the abuse of prisoners sometimes produces good intelligence, but often produces bad intelligence, because, undertorture, a person will say anything he thinks his captors want
watching the republican party the last three years of investigations into trump and some of his associates rediscover civil liberties reform and justice reform. you saw it not just with carter page but paul manafort, michael cohen, roger stone when he was arrested early in the morning. law enforcement techniques that have been used for years against defendants have been controversial. those were different than what was uncovered in this report but it is worth noting. david, where do we go from here? michael horowitz wants to conduct this audit. durham, u.s. attorney, working on whatever he will produce at the end, his analysis of these matters as well. what does that look like? what kind of change do you think we will see? it is not targeted on the fisa mistakes that were made. and it s you know, i can answer the question. i know why republicans are focusing on the fisa violations
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