mohammed or abu zubaydah, they are not going to freely give up that information. in fact, this is what i would say... what general mattis had said was — and i've got a lot of respect for the man — but he said, "give me some beer and a pack of cigarettes and i think i could get more." that's the rapport—building approach. yes. here's the problem with that. you've got to ask yourself, would general mattis give up information that could potentially get his countrymen killed and disrupt our attacks for a michelob and winston? he's not going to do that, and neither would ksm. the only thing standing between another catastrophic attack from some senior person is whether or not that person is willing to voluntarily provide that information to us. so you feel that because america no longer uses enhanced interrogation techniques, that it's a less safe place? they no longer even can use law enforcement techniques. the local mall cop has more choices as to what kinds