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Emanating from the capability but it is emanating from them being violent and get access to essentially the means to carry out such attack. laith, thank you. we also have standing by to talk to us long-term former maine senator and former secretary of defense, william cohen. and retired u.s. army four-star general barry mccaffrey. gentlemen, i d like to talk with you about the notion of war, as expressed by the french president. it s been said for the last 14 or so years that here in america, unless you have a member of the military in your family, the notion of warfare has been awfully far off. ask anyone in uniform, they ll tell you we ve been at war for years and years now. but general mccaffrey, starting with you. what do you think war in this case is going to look like? well, it s difficult to find warfare as a concept legally ....
Saying that s a lie? look, i think investigators are now sifting through all the scenarios and we are coming down essentially to two main scenarios. one of them is possible bomb plots. the other possible scenario might be a tail strike which they have not ruled out yet. so of course, the investigations are still ongoing. there are going to be probably several weeks, if not a couple of months before certainty comes out of this story. but the officials who spoke spoke on conditions of anonymity. we don t know where these reports are coming on that the bomb plot is more likely. we are still watching, of course. laith, isis referred twice to this incident, once taking initial responsibility and then kind of clearing up things. have we heard from them about this since? you know, isis has released multiple recordings and videos claiming responsibility for the downing of the aircraft. i believe so far we have about four different claims of ....
Plane and their claims of responsibility, they say that they re actually tied it in to an anniversary. so a very specific incident and the timing was very specific according to isis. right. according to isis, it s the anniversary of the one-year anniversary of the group in sinai pledging allegiance officially to isis in november of 2014. of course, it used to be called supporters of jerusalem. most of the attacks were directed at israel since 2011 until they pledged allegiance to isis and of course they directed their attacks on egyptian security forces and foreigners. laith, thank you very much for your time. appreciate it. thank you, jose. i d like to bring in senator tammy baldwin, democrat from wisconsin, also member of the senate committee on homeland security. senator, thank you for being with me this morning. thank you, jose. let s talk about this russian plane crash. i mean, with what the united states has been implying now, that there is a very real possibility tha ....
Different types of ieds is not something that s very easy so yet they were able to do this and this isn t really the first time. indeed. there is no doubt that isis has been sophisticated. they have a very systemic agenda, so they must have coordinated some guards maybe paid them off, but we don t know the strategy they followed but we know isis has been capable of doing this and has done this before. they freed hundreds of prisoners in great britain two years ago and after taking over mosul, they freed over 100 of them. so we know they ve done this before. laith, pretty busy weekend for isis as far as social media is concerned. indeed. they ve launched a number of suicide attacks, and a couple of days earlier they launched at least four different suicide attacks in southwestern beiji, where the oil refinery is located and that s where the clashes had been concentrated. laith, always good to see ....
On the ground anyway because the american people stand against it people worldwide stand against it this is one of the very few options that the united states has in its pocket. but that s the problem, laith, isn t it? because they don t want to put boots on the ground, and the administration has made drones a key part of the fight against terror. in pakistan alone, 364 strikes against terrorist targets have been launched under president obama. is there a viable alternative to drone strikes, without having to put troops on the ground? i believe cooperation between the united states government and other governments in the region where these movements operate, is absolutely key. when the government let s say the pakistani government confirms locusts where they are providing the only signal intelligence, but as well as human intelligence when you put these two key elements together, then we have a much better view of what s going on there. but if we don t have the full picture, someti ....