emanating from the capability but it is emanating from them being violent and get access to essentially the means to carry out such attack. >> laith, thank you. we also have standing by to talk to us long-term former maine senator and former secretary of defense, william cohen. and retired u.s. army four-star general barry mccaffrey. gentlemen, i'd like to talk with you about the notion of war, as expressed by the french president. it's been said for the last 14 or so years that here in america, unless you have a member of the military in your family, the notion of warfare has been awfully far off. ask anyone in uniform, they'll tell you we've been at war for years and years now. but general mccaffrey, starting with you. what do you think war in this case is going to look like? >> well, it's difficult to find warfare as a concept legally