john thought that she was joking, of course, but then adam and vulessa start talking about actual ways to murder vicky, and things quickly snowballed from there. after several tries, adam did pierce vicky s neck with a needle, and he injected the syringe into her. adam and vulessa then held vicky down while they waited for the injection to work, but it never did. vicky was still very much alive and still fighting back. adam stabbed vicky two more times and tried to break her neck. hours later, the murderous teens used bleach and towels to clean up the kitchen and adam put vicky s body in a trash can he found in vicky s garage. joining me new are co-hosts of the moms and murder podcast, melissa richie and mandy espy. thank you for joining us. we appreciate it. melissa, you said these are the stories that keep you up at night, when parents are kill bide their own children. what was it that most struck you about this vicky robinson case? this is a story where the mom
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john thought, well, this is an anomaly, this only happened once in a lifetime. yet, john, here you are again with a similar situation. did you ever think that you would see this happening again? never. you know, i just still every day cannot believe nixon would be playing at the same low level that trump is playing. you know, he doesn t understand the job. he doesn t understand even what the norms of the office are, and he just degrades that office every day in every way. i think you meant trump would be playing to the is that that what you were saying? i think that trump is so far below nixon that nixon himself would not actually we re talking far worse than richard nixon in his darkest day. john dean, thank you. michael, i want you to stick with me because we ve got a lot more to talk about, like what the founding fathers would think of president donald trump. we ll be right back. astronaut a?