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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 06:38:00

well detective james gamber and keith st. john were there when the call came into the sherrif s department at tucson. it certainly got investigators attention, especially when they learned more about what was found in that van. there was a map of tucson and handwritten notes with the names and types of cars driven by some of gary triano s business associates, family and friends, including his niece melissa and one time girlfriend taylor. and there was more. and then we found a receipt for a hotel here in tucson, where ron young stayed in the hotel, for 18 days, during the summer of 1996. which would be, what, a few months before gary triano was killed? yeah. and what was interesting about his choice of hotels, it was geographically almost halfway between where gary triano lived and the la paloma country club. where he played golf every day? yes. and even more suspicious, ron young stayed under a phony name. the name of one of the people he was accused of defrauding in a

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 06:30:00

but detective james gamber s investigation showed that pam was in aspen, not tucson, on the day of the murder. and pam the socialite certainly seemed more bombshell then bomb maker. and i m guessing pam phillips is probably not someone you thought was thinking around building a pipe bomb? no. detective james gamber and his team seemed to be had another dead end, until an alert detective 800 miles away happened to catch a news report about the bombing. and some bells went off. coming up . i found a note in the car, buy toothpaste, and down a little further was saw off shotgun. what could that have to do with the murder of gary triano? when dateline continues. i was always so itchy especially when i was hot.

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 06:13:00

At a posh resort. obviously, someone wanted to make a statement. so this is a powerful bomb? yes. pima county sheriff s detective detective james gamber and an alphabet soup of investigative agencies, including the fbi and atf started looking closely at the homemade bomb that had found its way to gary triano s passenger seat. we were able to determine that the device was a 17-inch piece of pipe, about an inch and a half in diameter. the pipe was filled with explosive powder and it detonated by remote control. using something that is normally used to control boats, planes? correct. handheld planes? yes. investigators determined that whoever operated the remote control which probably right there in the parking lot. so the person who set off the bomb was watching gary triano get in his car? yes, we had every reason to believe that, and from the injury patterns, that he was picking up the bag the device was in when detonated.

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 06:14:00

That would make me believe that someone is watching, and that he is on to it. and we have to detonate it now, before he realizes what it is and has a chance to escape. clearly, the killer had to know something about triano s daily routine. but detective james gamber soon discovered that a lot of people did. he had virtually no sense of personal security. he never locked his car, wouldn t lock his house. so someone with intel or information on gary s lifestyle could easily have set him up. and it appeared someone had checked on gary s whereabouts that day. what was interesting is that the day of the murder, someone called and asked if he was playing golf? man or woman? man, never identified. the very spectacle of a car bombing at a posh resort made an impact on camber s boss. then sheriff clarence dubnick.

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 06:37:00

Two or three times a week. and some nights, pam would cook for him, have romantic dinners with candlelight and music. although, kevin says, ron didn t seem to be pam s type. he did not have any money. he was not a socialite. and that s why she generally went for. so what exactly was pams relationship with ron young? and why wouldn t pam cooperate with police? did she want to protect ron? or was she afraid of him? crowley didn t know what to make of it all. and then, about a month after ron young s van was found, the detective happened to read about the car bombing death of gary triano. i was aware that gary was her ex-husband. so that s what prompted me to call into tucson.

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