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now on bbc news, it s hardtalk with stephen sackur. welcome to hardtalk. i m stephen sackur. there are some human experiences which most of us find very hard to get our heads around. my guest today experienced the unimaginable torment of more than four decades in solitary confinement in a tiny cell in one of america s most notorious prisons. albert woodfox was the victim of ingrained racism and brutality inside america s system of criminaljustice. he is now a free man. but what does freedom really mean after everything he has been through? albert woodfox, welcome to hardtalk. thank you. here you are, in london as a free man. but given everything you have been through, is it possible for you to ever feel truly free? well, yeah, i mean, philosophically, mentally and emotionally, i was free long before my actual physical freedom. and so, that was a part of my survival technique. my survival one of my many survival techniques. it allowed me to survive being in solitary co ....
a tiny cell in one of america s most notorious prisons. albert woodfox was the victim of ingrained racism and brutality inside america s system of criminaljustice. he is now a free man. but what does freedom really mean after everything he has been through? albert woodfox, welcome to hardtalk. thank you. here you are, in london as a free man. but given everything you have been through, is it possible for you to ever feel truly free? yeah, i mean philosophically, mentally and emotionally i was free long before my physical freedom. my physicalfreedom. and so my physical freedom. and so that was a part of my survival technique. it allowed me to survive being in solitary confinement for such a long period of time. i wonder in terms of, literally in terms of muscle memory, whether the way your body is, whether the way your body is, whether your muscles remember four decades in shackles, whether you still have that feeling of being in an enclosed space, literally two by three ....
Of the united states. racism was blatant, the opportunities from economic to political to social were almost non existent. and if you are denied access to society, if you are denied opportunities and stuff, the instinct to survive is probably the strongest instinct we have. so it was almost predestined that i would turn to petty crime to survive. if i may, i d like to read to you a little passage from your extraordinarily frank and honest book, solitary, where you talk about being a youth growing up. i robbed people, iscared them, i threatened them, i intimidated them. i stole from people who had almost nothing. they were my people, black people. i broke into their homes and took their possessions. ....
shepard: and a transfer and the rest, a friend with loughner in 2008 when police arrested the two for smoking pot in a van. the chief fox correspondent in new york city newsroom. you have more indications this was a very disturbed guy. jonathan: more and more people are coming forward now who knew jared loughner, the accused shooter, in the years best tragedy, who say that he in their words creeped them out, disturbed them, scared them, and we are also getting information right now just in the last two minutes from our producer on the ground in tucson that the sheriff there confirming that jared loughner took photographs of himself with guns probably the day before or the night before the shooting and on the morning of the shooting, went to a wall greens in tucson to have those photographs printed. they are working on a timeline ....