movement have some real trouble. i wrote this book beyond the messy truth how we came apart, how we come together trying to figure out how we get better republicans and democrats. i think we need two strong parties. but the conservative movement now seems to an an anti-liberal movement it s more interestinged in looking at ways to poke at liberals rather than to lift up values the country could be united around. the republican party has been leading the charge on criminal justice reform. rick perry, the governor of texas, closed prisons, brought crime down. governor deal in georgia, closed prisons, brought crime down. kasich in ohio, big criminal justice reformer. this is their issue. they have thrown it in the garbage can because they want to do this culture war nonsense. it is outside any policy to lift the country up.
this is a weird way to talk about a dictator who tortures and starves his own people. it s not normal. this isn t the way american leaders generally talk about our geopolitical foes. trump is very comfortable with breaking with tradition and protocol. touching on what hans was talking about, i think one thing to keep in mind, president trump is interestinged in increasing the military presence in that part of the world. there s a decent chance based on a conversation i had this morning that we ll see a permanent active military presence in south korea, ships as well as pers until. i think that s likely that will be happening at the same time that trump is talking about these issues in a way that s untraditional. the facial expressions you ve been making through this when donald trump was a young kid his dad, his father, fred, used to say two things to him. he said you re a killer, you re a king. you re a killer, you re a king. and donald trump when you read biographies of him,
here is a sample. which presidential candidate supports higher taxes national health care and the wall street bailout? it s donald trump? . in many cases, i probably identify more as a democrat. trump wants us to think he s mr. tell it like it is, but he has a record and it s very liberal. he s really just playing us for chumps. trump, just another politician. joining us now, jonathan allen, chief political correspondent for vox. also with us robert costas and sam stein. jonathan allen, what took them so long? look, they tried it before, it didn t bring trump down at all. there s the establishment. is the david against the donald trump goliath. i do think it s interesting the club for growth is getting here. they re trying to put together a super pac. the club for growth, there s a lot of overlap between that group and the donors for the koch brothers. it will be interestinged to see
club for growth is getting here. they re trying to put together a super pac. the club for growth, there s a lot of overlap between that group and the donors for the koch brothers. it will be interestinged to see if they get engaged or if they sit this one out and let the republican nomination move forward. but it s as close as interesting as paul ryan running for speaker. the club for growth has its own polling in iowa and they say their ads there have pushed trump down to below ben carson. they have the most cent poll in iowa at october 34. they showed trump at 16 we re going to have to wait for more reliable polls if the koch brothers don t want donald trump, if the massive world of republican money doesn t want donald trump, why has that money, all that activism, all
great negotiator. could that be true? well, maybe they know that, maybe they don t. i think they re looking the whole world s looking at these elections right now and laughing at what s happening at the republican party. and in part because as your previous segment with athena highlighted, there s a lot of rhetoric but there s not much specifics. and it s not just foreign policy. it s on every issue under the sun. if he s talking about immigration, if he s talking about veterans, there s a lot of rhetoric, not a lot of specifics. and so we ll see a lot of the candidates certainly go after donald trump tonight. jeb bush is being talked about doing fiorina. i m also going to be interestinged in what hugh hewitt has to say and jake tapper has to say. congressman rogers and i have both been on the receiving end of uncomfortable questioning from dana bash. lord knows she s not going to hold back tonight. and that s where we ll see real rhetoric being held to the fire. and instead of jus