hutchinson ahead of her sworn testimony. a source tells cnn one person who may have tried to influence her did so at the behest of then white house chief of staff mark meadows. the january 6th committee giving us a taste of that pressure campaign. this is a call received by one of our witnesses, quote, a person let me know you have your deposition tomorrow. he wants me to let you know he s thinking about you. he knows you re loyal and you re going to do the right thing when you go in for your deposition. cnn s ryan nobles is here with the latest. yeah, jim, we are getting more information about the concerns the january 6th select committee has about some of their witnesses being intimidated by the former president donald trump or some of his closest allies, and we re learning that those examples that they provided at the end of their hearing on tuesday were both directed at their star witness, cassidy hutchinson, and at least one of them, the belief is that it was sent
And what the Biden Administration is actually doing. On its face a hearing this week with Donald Trumps former Chief Of Staff mark meadows revolved around what might sound like a sideshow legal issue compared to the larger problem facing the former president hooch he wants to move his case from state to federal court, but what we learned from his nearly four hours of questioning has implications far beyond a potential Change Of Venue for his trial. In addition to giving us the first sense of what the argument may be from one of trumps other coconspirators of which there are many, the testimony was also another Flashing Warning Sign of what a second trump term could look like. I mean, lets zero in on the key defense we heard from mark meadows. He argued that the allegations outlined in the indictment, you know, the unrelenting pursuit of baseless claims of Election Fraud, the Pressure Campaign on georgia officials to find votes, the conspiratorial behavior to keep trump in power, he say
that point when the story first came out had said that they had individuals that were prepared to refute that story, saying that it didn t happen the way that hutchinson described it. well, now we re learning that secret service agents and people within the secret service in the months after january 6th were hearing versions of this story, that it was something that was being passed around amongst the agents and the people within the department, and at least one source that talked to cnn told us that they heard the story directly from the driver of the suv at that time, and everyone seems to be in agreement that donald trump was angry on that day, and that he was demanding to be taken to the capitol. now, where there seems to be a bit of discrepancy is just how serious he was when he lunged towards the driver and whether or not he ever actually got his hands on the steering wheel. hutchinson seemed to allude to that in her testimony on tuesday, but according to the counts from both of
complicity in the side that benefited them how russia is referenced in the national conference. among incredible things happening. 2:30 p.m. here on the east coast, this was scheduled to begin at 2:15. we ll check back in when chris jansing says she had never seen the briefing room like this. we are hearing versions of the same things from people. it is packed to the guilds. we have two camera locations there. there is us here and in the front row. chris. reporter: yeah, this is, i am not giving you the cold shoulder, i have to stand side way and that s how packed it is. you can take a look around this room of people who are watching the press briefings know it well. but, there is also a door that goes in the hallway where our offices are and people pouring out in the hallway and all of
pitch? so i don t think kruger is telling us that much about it. we re going to be hearing versions of ideas we ve heard before. this administration is not one for picking big symbolic battles on policies they can t win on, they ve also been careful on not getting polarized by bringing them up. so i expect things we ve heard before or similar policies to those. ezra, you and i talked about at one point about having a politics and economics 101 class, maybe this is our professor on that. msnbc analyst and columnist for the washington post and bloomberg news, thanks for joining me tonight, ezra. thank you. republican presidential frontrunner rick perry has doubled down against one of the