two warring camps, those on the left using the book to hail mark milley, those on the right practically calling him a tray traitor. the thing that is so bracing an nerve-racking and important about this book is what it reveals about how much worse it was than we knew. how much closer we came to real disaster than we have known before now. we all now learn every time one of these stories comes out how much closer to the brink we were than we understood and how much we owe people like general milley and others, the few remaining adults in charge at that point. there was an insurrection planned around that time in washington but it took place at the pentagon and its chief architect was general mark milley. if this is true, general milley would be a traitor to this country, if true he should be fired and tried for treason mead. i. immediately. now they re trashing general
28th, is going to come up and i don t think he s going to look so good. howie: he s not some former official, he s the top military officer in the united states. donald trump denounced milley as an idiot, he called bob woodward a sleaze. trump still take shots at you over the first presidential debate says you didn t have control. i would say for a landlord, i m grateful i m allowed to occupy so much space in donald trump s brain rent-free. you know, i m not talking about him but, yes, he still wants to talk about the september 29th, 2020 debate. you know howie: to the extend it got out of control. where does the fault lie on that? we sent some poor unfortunate fox intern who looked at trump interrupted biden, important, me, doesn t matter, 145 times in 90 minutes. i think that s a world record. i think guiness should write him
milley. it s just insane. this is a party that is attacking generallings the fbi, the generals, the fbi, the cia, the intel community, the very people who keep us safe. crazy. our country top defense officials secretly colluded with the top military rival to undercut the president of the united states. that s tree b son. it is a crime treason. howie: president biden says he has great confidence in general milley. i found woodward and i found his cohorts to be extremely dishonorable people. this guy is one of the most overrated guys. he s a sleaze. but i did not ever think of attacking china. howie: joining us to an a liese the coverage, mollie hemingway
did. that s fine. i ll let you explain. but is it a legitimate issue for the press since obviously milley s actions were extremely unusual, to say the least? i don t think it s an issue for the press. i think the press needs to do their job and ask the right questions and we need to stop people in the press jumping to conclusions. in the united states of america, even if you are a general and a part of the joint chiefs, you are innocent until proven guilty. this man has not been found to be proven gil ticks talking of things like guilty, talking of things like treason, that s just absolutely ridiculous. and i would say whether this was donald trump as president or as we have right now joe biden, the jumping to conclusions and trying to ruin an individual s career and picking on some of the highest levels of the most wonderful military in the world concerns me. and it baffles me when i see it by both sides when it s used for
people that denied it ended up with egg on their face. no he question that milley did it. howie: he confirmed it. right. the question is, was it over the line. you know of, i was looking at the part of the book, he says secret phone calls. if secret means see considerate from us, of course they were secret from us. but the implication is secret from the people inside the pentagon and that just doesn t seem to be true. the first call he made in october to the chinese, october of 2020, was in conjunction supposedly with the defense secretary, mark esper. the second call he apparently had 15 people in the room including translators. so secret in the sense that he was off the reservation, i don t see that yet. howie: that he was going rogue. obviously he s getting a lot of criticism. it s become a beltway ritual over decades for former officials to talk to woodward and he gets to channel their