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Rico. she s done it numerous times on high profile cases in the past, and that s exactly what rico does. it pulls together those three conspiracies we were talking about, including this hacking conspiracy, into one large case that you can present to a jury where you say hey, what was the point of those fake electoral certificates, what was the point of pressing georgia officials to do the wrong thing, what was the point of the computer hacking, the same point, all of these people were working together in one, as we put it, enterprise in order for donald trump to allegedly hang on to his office when we know he had lost the election. you can t do that in american law. it is so layered, and those cases are so complicated, but it is important to note, she has tried these kinds of cases before. this is in her wheelhouse, so it s not something new. what do you expect over the next couple days? we know the grand jury will meet ....
York state? none of those are the slam dunks you see in this indictment against stone. but the question i m asking is could you bring a state charge under new york law for aiding and abetting for a hacking conspiracy or soliciting stolen goods? i think there s a stronger case for those crimes than you would for violations of campaign financial. if you have stone involved with a conspiracy to solicit stolen goods or aid and abet computer hacking, even if trump pardons stone, you could still have a new york state prosecution for stone, which means he needs to cooperate. as this was all happening, just for the last couple of days of you just answered the question i had. thank you. i appreciate it. because if it does go to you said state charges or if it goes to the southern district of new york, is that what you re saying? no, i m talking this is federal and state. so mueller and fdny are federal, and then the question are ....
Interested in. if a pardon comes down for stone, could he face any state liability? so the key thing about a presidential pardon is it only affects federal criminal you were reading my mind. go on. i ve been thinking about it. so this is the question is did mueller strategically bring certain charges of the indictment that only a federal prosecutor could bring? felony, false statements on a federal level, obstruction of justice, and did he leave out other charges that could potentially be brought by new york state? none of those are the slam dunks you see in this indictment against stone. but the question i m asking is could you bring a state charge under new york law for aiding and abetting for a hacking conspiracy or soliciting stolen goods? i think there s a stronger case for those crimes than you would for violations of campaign financial. if you have stone involved with a conspiracy to solicit stolen ....
Had already come out, that yes, there was in fact this moscow project that was going on. now we know it extended for may longer during the campaign than we could have imagined. so to look at all of this now, all of his comments now, in light of what we now know is just extraordinary. it sheds some light on, to help at least, explain why he has been so loving towards vladimir putin, and so submissive towards russia. both throughout his candidacy and in his presidency. malcolm, i want to ask you something that has been on my mind that i don t think we have dug to the bottom of and we ve been covering this story a couple of days in a couple of forums and that is, why do you think that the trump folks wouldn t take this moment to say, you know what? we made some bad calls about business. but this is all about business. there is no election collusion. there is no hacking conspiracy. what i m saying is, a good ....
Covering this story now a couple of days in a couple of forums. and that is why do you think that the trump folks wouldn t take this moment to say you know what, we made some bad calls about business, but this is all about business. there s no election collusion, there s no hacking conspiracy. what i m saying is a good criminal defense attorney for this president and some of the people around him could seize this moment and say this is the thing, it s a business thing, but this is what was on his mind when he said all those weird russia things, not some larger criminal conspiracy to defraud the united states. why do you think they haven t done that? because i think it s being directed from the top down. and this is the way donald trump has always done business. i believe that what we have here is a very broad-based criminal conspiracy. but it s a conspiracy to them that they don t believe since they now run all the wheels of government. they don t believe that any of this is of a mat ....