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Affairs. vivian, reporter with the wall street journal who s covered u.s. foreign policy, and national security issues for nearly two decades. and julia, a columnist for the daily beast. she s the creator of the russian media monitor, and watches russia state tv. so we don t have to. let me start kevin, with what we just heard from the city council member of the situation we have known. it s a situation, mariupol has been absolutely devastated. it s a humanitarian crisis, i don t think anyone is surprised to hear that any hope for humanitarian corridor didn t materialize. but what can be done, kevin? you know i don t know, and i don t think the pentagon does out there. i was reading the most recent statements from the podium there in the last couple of days and there s definitely been a shift in the kind of weapons that the united states is willing to provide. and you re hearing it from the white house to that it s expected to be long-range artillery fight, a ground fight between two ....
Let me start kevin, with what we just heard from the city council member of the situation we have known. it s a situation, mariupol has been absolutely devastated. it s a humanitarian crisis, i don t think anyone is surprised to hear that any hope for humanitarian corridor didn t materialize. but what can be done, kevin? you know i don t know, and i don t think the pentagon does either. i was reading the most recent statements from the podium there in the last couple of days and there s definitely been a shift in the kind of weapons that the united states is willing to provide. and you re hearing it from the white house to that it s expected to be long-range artillery fight, a ground fight between two forces that are familiar with the terrain. they ve been fighting there for over eight years. but frankly, if it comes down to a small number of forces and circled in that city. without any significant nato back pushback of the russian troops. i can t see any other outcome and a bad one, ....
Items. one to get them fighter aircraft and there are a couple of different ways of doing that. i know it s complicated and hard but i think that would help in a ground fight. because those fighters could also attack tanks and then secondly, how about some more of those anti-ship cruise missiles? those can be used to keep the russians way out at sea, which is where the ukrainians want them. exactly. to protect odesa, in particular, right now from attack. exactly. secretary comb, we re hearing the russians are pushing back forcefully by squeezing on finland, which the leaders of both countries say could happen or their request could happen in weeks. how do you think that would impact the reaction the kremlin is threatening all kinds of strong reaction if they abandoned their historic neutrality? i think there would be a strong reaction a. if putin is paranoid about ....
Firefight at the facility. so what s interesting about this is that it, apparently, and again, we don t know if there is, have been rockets or, you know, missiles in this area, but i mean that would appear to be tracer fire of relatively large caliber weapons so it looks like more of a ground fight at least at this time, on this camera. i can t, from the pictures, really, you know, interpret what s going on in the detail but i m sure that as the night goes on, we ll learn more. yeah. i want to bring in our jim sciutto who is also here with me in lviv, i mean jim, this is obviously a very large concern. you would think even russian authorities with any sense of responsibility, even for russia, it would not be a good idea to be messing with a nuclear power plant. i should say that prior to the invasion, it was u.s. ....
At all. he blew right through. s be when you hear that u.s. intelligence and british intelligence is saying this is going much slower than russia had anticipated, may be russia had anticipated, what do you think? listen, i ve been a long history the background of intelligence myself, but you see intelligence get it wrong over and over again and that s why they had recommended a longer burn before the collapse. it is not surprising that what we have learned last week was there were amassed troops on the border. you can almost disregard this. this is a ground fight that is bloody, vladimir putin is extending his lines to penetrate the interiors of ukraine. that s a difficult prospect and i will take you back to iraq, afghanistan, the united states with hundreds of thousands of troops on the ground. they found themselves in a slugfest fights inside the city s. ....