no one will run to the right of donald trump. he has captured that by making his commitment to conservatives with his agenda and delivering on the agenda. m it s ironclad. tucker: matt schlapp. thank you. keith koffler has spent a lot of time thinking about steve bannon. he s the author of the book bannon: always the rebel. some would say the definitive biography. keith, great to see you. i would say that, too. thank you, tucker. tucker: you know bannon well, you wrote a book about him. what s the point of this? p he doesn t do things presumably for no reason. i think that he was angry. i think that at the time he said that it could have been either july or right after because they said it was soon after a july story in the new york times. it didn t have to be while he wo was still a staffer. it might ve come in august right after he left the white house. i m not sure. bwa either way, he was involved in these vicious struggles within the white house. i don t think there s n
the ideological gulf between the president and steve bannon is small. this is not a fight over ideas,t it s a fight over who deserves credit for an election win. talk about missing the point. the legacy of 2016 is not a single person, any person, it s a set of ideas, the ones that reflect the hopes and the needs and the fears and the aspirations of a badly mistreated american middle-class. those voters came to the polls because they wanted real borders, higher wages, dignified they were dispirited by the opioid epidemic, why wouldn t they be. they were sick of being lectured by political class of washington that despises them and holds them in contempt. they revere their country, but they had come to recognize that it is hard to make the rest ofor the world better and very easy to make it worse. above all, they voted for leadership that promised to put americans first above any foreign nation or domestic interest group. that is the real legacy of 2016. that agenda. getting it done is t
know that there is going to be a huge election at the end of this year where the majority in the senate and the house are up for grabs. and they believe they might have been unsure about trump in the beginning but they are not unsure about him now, tucker. there s no question as to whether or not who their allegiances who their allegiance is with, it s the leader of their party. if the president of united states and it s thehe agenda he s pushing. and steve bannon s for that agenda too. so why do anything to help #resistance, which is all about trying to delegitimize trump, and i think that s where steve made a big mistake with his talking to a very left-wing journalist who he shouldn t be talking to. tucker: that journalist is not very left wing, by the way. in point of fact. i don t think he is. do you think that this journalist is somebody who he should talk to in this manner in order to really try to harm the trump agenda? i i don t think it s smart.
tucker: i m not saying that, i m just saying i have confidence that that journalist, michael wolff, is accurately representing the clip he heard because i think is an honest journalist. i don t think he has an ideological agenda here. what i m struck by is the fact that it was said in the first place by steve bannon.ac exactly! tucker: that s the question, why? what s the point of this? i think the point of this is when you are a staffer at the white house, you are a staffer. by the way, he did this as a staffer. you serve a president, i served a president, right, and you don t talk to journalist whether on the record or off the record in any way to try to harm the agenda. if you re trying to harm the agenda, who s disloyal? tucker: this is not the first time. it doesn t matter. tucker: i m just saying.. in five different interviews in the past couple of months, you have seen direct attacks on trump by bannon or attacks that clearly came from bannon and i m just wondering
attacking trump. he s been doing this through in effect cut outs. he s been doing this for months. what s the point? what s he trying to get out of that? o mostly he s been supportive of trump. the people that he is angry with are the people around trump. ivanka trump, jared kushner, who he calls jivanka. he s been doing that without severe penalty for a while now. you can understand that he s upset that his son is being called treasonous. s what he s trying to do is marginalize people within the white house who have a more establishment republican agenda and keep trump s ear and keep trump focused on the things that he was elected on, not trump, it s family over everything. he loves his family. in terms of his personality and political beliefs, he s actually a lot closer to steve bannon than he is to ivanka trump.r t tucker: it seems that way. keith koffler, thank you.ru on the left, it suddenly has become acceptable to attack