Fascist dictatorship, and so bill barr, after, ive got to say, humiliating himself for several years, bill barr decides, this is where i get off. This is enough. This is my line. I believe in an imperial presidency, but i dont believe in a fascist presidency. Thats what donald trump was asking him to do. Asking him to steal an election. Asking him to arrest his political opponents. Asking him to do the sort of things, again, that fascist dictators do. He wouldnt do it. Now, trump has turned on him. As far as fani willis goes and jack smith and everything else, again, we can point you back to it and play it for you again, what we were saying in 2019. If donald trump lost in 2020, he would run again, and hed run again simply to avoid all the crimes he was committing. Im not good at math, but that was four years ago. Four years ago, we were saying he will run again so he can try to avoid jail. Going to jail. Here we are. I must say, a lot of people were saying that, so its hard to believe
Foundation, mark updegrove. and the washington post s eugene robinson has the first question for you, mark. hi, mark. good to see ya. listen, i think i remember that day, when gerald ford issued that pardon. it was controversial then and is still controversial now. there are people who think it was a mistake. as a historian looking back, how do you see the lessons, if there are lessons, from that moment to the situation we re obviously in now, where we have a former president who is facing indictment on criminal charges? the question, eugene, is did it set a precedent that we have to live by today? the answer is it probably did. but gerald ford couldn t have
yeah, this is politics. i am hearing them on tv saying the justice department should review carefully review these cases as that they carefully reviewed bill clinton s brother on charges. the president i will stack up those hundreds and thousands of pardons and i ve interviewed gerald ford about his pardon of richard nixon and george w. bush. we talked about the iran-contra caspar weinberger. i stack goes up against the pardon of arpaio anytime. incurious from an historical day. this came on a friday night when it barely 90 houston. when you have these other pardons, bill clinton s brother, pardoning of richard nixon, did they occur in similar circumstances, these different news nights? where did these all historically? very often it the case because pardons can be controversial. gerald ford couldn t hide the