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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 09:26:00

Honestly what happened to michelle stripped away not just our innocence, but the innocence of the whole town. it settled over the city, that michelle s killer may over in be caught. the 70s became the 80s and then the 90s. in 1997, they sent scrapings from the gearshift of michel s car to a state lab. the lab was able to sort out those dna points and left a dna profile. at the time it wasn t enough to match to a suspect. but in twoivgs doug larrison took over the case. he wondered if anything else from the car might yield a more complete dna profile and sent michelle s blood-stained dress back to the lab. got the call from the analyst they had found a full dna profile on the dress. that s exciting. that s and are you sitting ....

Michelle-martinko , City , Town , Innocence , The-killer , Lab , Car , Michel , Estate-lab , Scrapings , Gearshift , 70s-became-the-80s-and-then-90s

Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20220212 10:46:00

m - but what she had to say was important said pam s brother. you know, she saw a guy office at the time. and that man she said was carrying a bag. what did he do with the bag? put it in his car. that was the stuff he took out of the office. and who was that man? from this point, the state s emotional witness was certain. that man was the man. versions never found the murder weapon, but among the gearshift in kirk s car, gunshot residue said this forensic scientist. that gearshift handle either had gunshot residue related or was in the environment of a discharged firearm. but remember the friends and family who said pam told them, ....

Man , Guy-office , Pams-brother , M , It , Office , Car , State , Point , Bag , Stuff , Kirk-zimmerman

Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20220212 10:55:00

On-board computer system in kirk s silver hyundai. pings the state said put the car near pam s office. the defense called it junk science. this type of expert testimony has never been allowed in the state of illinois before. it should not have been allowed in this case. but how could the defense answer for that gunshot residue found on kirk s gear shift? the defense expert agreed there was plenty of it on that spot, but finding that number of characteristic of residue particles is surprising. maybe too surprising? especially because there was none anywhere else in the car. so it looked like some kind of a mistake or you re suggesting that gunshot residue was purposefully placed on the lever or came into contact with either clothing, a ....

Pam-zimmerman , Office , Kirk-zimmerman , Car , Defense , Type , Illinois , State , Expert-testimony , It-junk-science , Pings-the-state , Computer-system

Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20210926 07:26:00

Michelle kind of stripped away, not just our innocence that the innocence of the whole town. it settled over the city. the thought that michelle s killer might never be caught. the seventies became the eighties, and then the nineties. the dawn of dna testing finally gave police new hope. in 1997, they sent scrapings from that gearshift of michelle s car off to a state lab. the lab was able to sort out all of those dna points and left a partial meal the any profile. at the time, it was an enough to match to a suspect. but in 2005, doug larsson took over the case. he wondered if anything else from the car might yield a more complete dna profile. he sent michelle s blood stained dress back to the state crime lab. got the phone call from the lab analysts that they had found a full dna profile on the dress, which was very exciting. that s a pretty exciting phone call? that s great. ....

Michelle-martinko , Killer , Town , City , Seventies , Kind , Innocence , Thought , Car , Police , Lab , Dna-testing

Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20210926 07:12:00

And her black dress and for cool with slumped halfway off the passenger seat at the families buick electra. she had multiple stab wounds. doug larsson was a college freshman when michel was killed. matt denlinger only in kindergarten. but years later, as cedar rapids investigators, they d come to know every detail of this case. very frenzied to attack. there was blood everywhere. there was blood spatter all over the inside of the car. did the color leave a blood trail away from the scene? did you get lucky in that? we know. there s no luxurious away from the scene. for that killer did leave some signatures. the officers found love prince on the outside of the car, in the dirt, on the door handle. they love looked like dishwashing gloves from the late seventies, early eighties, that everyone would have in their house. so, the killer came to do business? oh, yeah. the color came to do business. michel had warily deep defense of wounds on her hands. she put up a fight. ....

Matt-denlinger , Dress , Michel-hadnt-returned-home , Detective-doug-larsson , Cool , Buick-electra , Families , Stab-wounds , Passenger-seat , College-freshman , Car , Cold-case