people that bob mueller has not subpoenaed have ripened into targets of the investigation that would go for the path for kushner and stone and onjunior. does that mean indictment or a report? he could put out a report to congress. it could be a combination. he could return indictments against all conspirators but maybe leave the president out of it and only report what he found to congress, or we could see 1974 all over again with richard nixon and he could name the president as an indicted co-conspirator. michael, as you said, this is only the beginning. thank you both. i appreciate it. when we come back is rudy giuliani helping or hurting president trump when it comes to fending off mueller. and how close could mueller s investigation get to the president s own family? when i received the diagnoses,
two viable cases in two separate very serious courts in the d.c. area. this is going to be a long one. when you speak from his legal liability, it s tremendous, and that s why you arrive at that 300-year figure. you won t. but he s facing so many charges that carry serious sentences. and from a political perspective as well these are trials that are going to go on and drag on for some time and keep these issues in the conversation for this president and this administration no matter how hard they try. the second point in response to rick and april is this. this pattern of this administration of denying any relationship, significant relationship with anybody who runs in trouble is consistent. we ve seen that in the last 72 hours. paul manafort who only served as the chairman of the trump campaign through the convention
the idea that somehow this is floating out in the ether somewhere in orbit far away from the central focus of this investigation is just not true. those lines of investigation are open. and this is a man who has shown himself willing to do some fairly dodgy work for people supported by the kremlin abroad in the ukraine. and that s one reason why he s standing in court today. and this is just the beginning and again, one of two trials. the first of two trials for paul manafort this summer. so this is and the first one as far as the russia investigation. listen, there s they have to go a long way, as you said. there s a long way to go, and april, the judge s name is ts ellis. he banned any mention of president trump, russia or collusion from the courtroom. i mean, that may be, but the trial is no doubt weighing on this white house. it is definitely weighing on this white house, don. from my sources, they re saying
and we called it out. they kept saying that it was disrespectful. and then i remember asking that day to sarah huckabee sanders does the president realize what taking the knee is about? that put the real piece on it. they kept the narrative saying it s about disrespect of soldiers. it s about disrespect of flags but the issue is police involved abuses and shootings, and america supports police but they want to weed out bad policing. if you re the president of all america and there s one segment of america crying out, lebron james is right, there s an issue. if he doesn t want to sit across from the president, that s his prerogative. but lebron james is right, and so many other not just african americans not just latino brothers and sisters, everyone sees something is wrong. there is a divide. there is a racial divide. we are not trying to gas it up. we re not trying to create a racial animus, but there is a problem in this nation and this president is president of all
they re trying to figure out messaging and they are also concerned about how this is going to play out because once again, just as jim sciutto said, there are connections to russia for paul manafort and this tax evasion, all the things going on, and his partner is very key in telling the story in this courtroom. all right. rick, you ve been sitting by patiently. let s bring you in now. do you think the start of the manafort trial is one reason why we re seeing tweet after tweet from the president and rudy giuliani s really confusing interviews? i think this manic performance you saw from rudy this week and the tweet gasm trump has had to throw as much stuff into the wind as he possibly can are both directly related to the fact that robert mueller has a very strong case against paul manafort here, and they recognize that the charges against manafort are leverage to have manafort speak about the things he knows concerning donald trump s campaign ties and donald trump s personal ties