so just as the cops had been hoping, fred and frank talked, but not a word from either one to establish they were involved in a murder. we had like 60-plus phone conversations between them. you re tapping them all. we re tapping them all. but they just didn t slip up. so it was time, the detectives decided, to launch the undercover squad led by kris nelson. i was armed with information now. nick harvey s told the homicide guys what s up. they ve told me. so now if you re frank and fred, frick and frack. yeah. your biggest concern is that nick s caught. yeah. of course. you want to make sure he s not going to say anything. what does he have to trade. first detective nelson decided he d phone fred schockner himself and pretend to be the hired killer, nick harvey. how did you go about doing this? i went to county jail and i
uh, kind of. okay, good. i don t need to talk about it. okay. how are you doing, bud? it has been a rotten, rotten time. all the there s so much sympathy and so much activity surrounding it, it s unbelievable. reporter: so, just as the cops had been hoping, fred and frank talked. but not a word from either one to establish they were involved in a murder. we had, like, 60-plus phone conversations between them. and you re tapping them all. and we re tapping em all. but they just didn t slip up. so it was time, the detectives decided, to launch the undercover squad led by kris nelson. i was armed with information now. nick harvey s told the homicide guys what s up. they told me. so now, if you re frank and fred, frick and frack, your biggest concern is that nick s caught. yeah, of course.
influence u.s. politics. the two men were said to have made contributions to pete session campaign in an effort to get a ukraine ambassador removed from her post. a move supported by rudy giuliani. the arrest would only complicate the impeachment inquiry into president trump. as we were discussing. dan, back to you firstly and don our last hour made the frick and frack joke. you ve got the two guys, the video of them at the trump international hotel. this is a rag tag bunch. what s fascinating about it is what they were trying to do at once. ken saying these were gas price who wore two hats. they were trying to enrich themselves all the while working with rudy giuliani, carrying out faux state craft, trying to get this ambassador out of the position she was in with pete sessions. what does it say to you about, you touched on this, the
nelson. i was armed with information now. nick harvey s told the homicide guys what s up. they ve told me. so now if you re frank and fred, frick and frack. reporter: yeah. your biggest concern is that nick s caught. reporter: yeah. of course. you want to make sure he s not going to say anything. what does he have to trade. reporter: first detective nelson decided he d phone fred schockner himself and pretend to be the hired killer, nick harvey. how did you go about doing this? i went to county jail and i used one of their inmate phones because i wanted the prerecording that says, you re receiving a call from a california penal institution, blah, blah, blah. and he hung up on me i think the first time. there was a pause there where they ask you if you re willing to accept. and he said no, click. then i waited about five minutes and i call him again. reporter: and this time fred took the call. i said i m the guy that did the work at your house for you and i m going to
reporter: so just as the cops had been hoping, fred and frank talked, but not a word from either one to establish they were involved in a murder. we had like 60-plus phone conversations between them. reporter: you re tapping them all. we re tapping them all. reporter: but they just didn t slip up. so it was time, the detectives decided, to launch the undercover squad led by kris nelson. i was armed with information now. nick harvey s told the homicide guys what s up. they ve told me. so now if you re frank and fred, frick and frack. reporter: yeah. your biggest concern is that nick s caught. reporter: yeah. of course. you want to make sure he s not going to say anything. what does he have to trade. reporter: first detective nelson decided he d phone fred schockner himself and pretend to be the hired killer, nick harvey.