just as the cops have been hoping, fred and frank talked, but not a word from either one to establish they were involved in the murder. we had 60 plus phone conversations, between them. and recapping them all? we are tapping them all. but they just didn t slip up. so it was time the detectives decided to launch the undercover squad led by chris nelson. i was armed with information now. nick harvested the homicide guys and then they told me,, if you are frank and fred, your biggest concern is nick s top. yeah, of course. you wanna make sure he s not gonna say anything first, detective nelson decided he d go for broke by phoning fred schockner himself and claiming to be the hired killer, nick harvey. so, how did you go about doing this? i went to county jail. i was one of their inmate phones because i wanted to
used one of their inmate phones because i wanted the prerecording that says, you re receiving a call from a california penal institution, blah, blah, blah. and he hung up on me i think the first time. there was a pause there where they ask you if you re willing to accept. and he said no, click. then i waited about five minutes and i call him again. and this time fred took the call. i said i m the guy that did the work at your house for you and i m going to need my other half. i m going to need my money, you know, for an attorney. he says, you already have it. i said no. and he said, well, you need to talk to your guy. your guy. he could only mean frank jaramillo. but he didn t say the words. didn t say anything incriminating. and so, he tried something different. much riskier. time to get uncle john involved. coming up frank?
you wanna make sure he s and what is he not gonna say anything. and what does he have to trade? reporter: first, detective nelson decided, he d go for broke. by phoning fred schockner himself and claiming to be the hired killer, nick harvey. so, how did you go about doing this? i went to county jail and i used one of their inmate phones, cause i wanted the prerecording that says, you re receiving a call from a california penal institution, blah, blah, blah. and he hung up on me i think the first time. there s a pause there where they ask you if you re willing to accept. and he and he said, no, click. and then i waited about five minutes and i called him again. reporter: and this time, fred took the call. and i said, you know, i m the guy that did that work at your house for you. and i said, well, you know, i m gonna need my other half. i m gonna need my money, you know, for an attorney. and he says, well, you already have it. and i said, no. an
of course. and you want to make sure he s not going to say anything. first detective nelson decided he d go for broke by phoning fred schockner himself and claiming to be the hired killer, nick harvey. so how did you go about doing this? i used one of inmate phones because i wanted the recording that says you re receiving a call from county institution blah blah blah. and he hung up on me i think the first time there s a pause and he said no, click. and i waited about five minutes and i called him again. and this time fred took the call. and i said i m the guy that did that work at your house for you. and i said well i m going to need my other half, i m going to need my money, you know, for an attorney. and he says well you already have it. and i said no. and he said well you need to talk to your guy. your guy.
so just as the cops had been hoping fred and frank talked, but not a word from either one to establish they were involved in a murder. we had like 60 plus phone conversations between them. and you re tapping them all. and we re tapping them all. but they just didn t slip-up. so it was time, the detchbs decided to launch the under cover squad led by chris nelson. nick harvey told the homicide guys what s up, nick told me. so now if you re frank and fred, your biggest concern is that nick s caught. of course. and you want to make sure he s not going to say anything. first detective nelson decided he d go for broke by phoning fred shockner himself and claiming to be the hired killer, nick harvey. so how did you go about doing this? i used one of inmate phones