our democratic colleagues may have pencilled out for political purposes. with that, let s bring in our lead off guests on the monday night p ashley parker, white house bureau chief of the washington post. frank fagluzi, for counter intelligence ands he is the host of the new podcast the bureau and michael osterholm, for research and policy at the university of minnesota he was a covid adviser to the biden transition team. good to have you all here. where are we in the latest surge? well, first of all, you have to understand that we don t really know why surges occur. what happens that suddenly causes big increase in cases and why do we see a very sudden drop within five to seven weeks at the top of the surge, that has been happening around the world. i expect the same to happen here. i think another four to five weeks and we will see the numbers drop.
so, they are trying to say everyone needs to get vaccinated, and yet, you may be vaccinated and you may have a break through case, and you absolutely still need to get vaccinated. you know, in public health crisis, when messaging is key, this just throws another wrench in complicated messages. meantime, frank, all the politics. you heard what ron johnson said about the fbi. i want you to listen to tucker carlson back in june. so fbi operatives were organizing the attack on the capitol on january 6th according to government documents. and those two are not alone. in all, revolver news reported there were up to 20 unindicted coon conspirators, that have not been charged for the same activities and some more severe activities as those named along
we know mcgahn, for instance, has been meeting with special counsel for many, many hours. that s what matters. frank, this is another instance of don mcgahn as one of the human guardrails around the president. does this article also kind of out mr. whitaker as a potential witness? you ve got the president coming to the chief of staff at the justice department under sessions, saying in effect, hey, how we doing on that investigation of hillary? yeah. there s no question now in my mind that at some point mr. whitaker s going to find himself either testifying before congress, as to what transpired, who asked what when, what was the tone, what was the intention that he inferred or, and/or he s going to find himself being interviewed, if he hasn t already, by a member of the special counsel team. he has essentially made himself
political imperatives to the president of the united states. so does it worry me? not that much. is it a good thing? it s part of the normal and natural tension that you might expect. what worries me, though, is that we have a president who is particularly opposed to the rule of law, who is marley savage in his remarks about the men and women of the fbi, of law enforcement, of the military, of the intelligence community. that s what worries me. that s what s abnormal here. the president have used them as all in service to him, he thinks? seems to me. i need to talk to really smart historians to find out the long view. in my memory and my time at the department of justice, my time at the fbi, yes. frank, we re going to try at some point this week to allow our viewers to step away and
there s a good chance mueller has seen or has the memo or both. so what now? frank fagluzi and chuck rosenberg, former u.s. attorney around a forumer senior fbi official. chuck, home field advantage here in new york, we ll begin with you. safe to assume robert mueller has this memo, has had this memo, has had knowledge of this incident for a good long while. absolutely, brian. if he doesn t have the memo, he ll have it now. and frankly, what he really needs are the recollections of the people who wrote the memo or were there for the conversation. all right. the memo is krcorroborative but that s really important are the people who spoke to the president, got his direction, understood what he intended to do and wrote that stuff down. that s the real evidence.