our democratic colleagues may have pencilled out for political purposes. >> with that, let's bring in our lead off guests on the monday night p ashley parker, white house bureau chief of the washington post. frank fagluzi, for counter intelligence ands he is the host of the new podcast the bureau and michael osterholm, for research and policy at the university of minnesota he was a covid adviser to the biden transition team. good to have you all here. where are we in the latest surge? >> well, first of all, you have to understand that we don't really know why surges occur. what happens that suddenly causes big increase in cases and why do we see a very sudden drop within five to seven weeks at the top of the surge, that has been happening around the world. i expect the same to happen here. i think another four to five weeks and we will see the numbers drop.