Stay updated with breaking news from Fernando rull. Get real-time updates on events, politics, business, and more. Visit us for reliable news and exclusive interviews.
donald trump was detached from reality. his former attorney general, william barr, said he showed more interest in crazy stuff than facts. mr trump has called the investigation a sham. now on bbc news, it s hardtalk. welcome to hardtalk. i m stephen sackur. the rupture in relations between most of europe and russia since vladimir putin s invasion of ukraine has left european governments scrambling to end their dependence on moscow s oil and gas. it turns out there was another arena in which europe had become dangerously dependent on russia space. without russian rockets and other space know how, europe s short term space plans are now in disarray. my guest isjosef aschbacher, director general of the european space agency. is europe destined to be an also ran in the space race? josef aschbacher, welcome to hardtalk. thank you. thank you for having me. let s start where i started in that introduction your relationship with russia. it has exposed, has it not, the ....
europe s short term space plans are now in disarray. my guest isjosef aschbacher, director general of the european space agency. is europe destined to be an also ran in the space race? josef aschbacher, welcome to hardtalk. thank you, thank you for having me. let s start where i started in that introduction your relationship with russia. it has exposed, has it not, the war with ukraine, the degree to which you ve had to sever ties with the russian space agency? it s exposed a dangerous over reliance on cooperation with moscow? i mean, it is true that with the invasion of russia in ukraine, it was a wake up call for many of us in the energy sector, in many other parts, that we suddenly have a war in front of our doors and also in space. and in space, what actually happened is exactly the same as in many other domains. the heads of states and heads of government of many european countries were encouraging everyone to embrace russia, to work with russia, get russia into ....
which unionists don t like because it, in effect, puts a border down the irish sea. now on bbc news, here s hardtalk. welcome to hardtalk. i m stephen sackur. the rupture in relations between most of europe and russia since vladimir putin s invasion of ukraine has left european governments scrambling to end their dependence on moscow s oil and gas. it turns out there was another arena in which europe had become dangerously dependent on russia space. without russian rockets and other space know how, europe s short term space plans are now in disarray. my guest isjosef aschbacher, director general of the european space agency. is europe destined to be an also ran in the space race? josef aschbacher, welcome to hardtalk. thank you. thank you for having me. let s start where i started in that introduction your relationship with russia. it has exposed, has it not, the war with ukraine, the degree to which you ve had to sever ties with the russian space agency? it s expos ....
are now in disarray. my guest isjosef aschbacher, director general of the european space agency. is europe destined to be an also ran in the space race? josef aschbacher, welcome to hardtalk. thank you. thank you for having me. let s start where i started in that introduction your relationship with russia. it has exposed, has it not, the war with ukraine, the degree to which you ve had to sever ties with the russian space agency? it s exposed a dangerous overreliance on cooperation with moscow? i mean, it is true that with the invasion of russia in ukraine, it was a wake up call for many of us in ukraine, it was a wake up call for many of us in the energy sector, in many other parts, that we suddenly have a war in front of our doors and also in space. and in space, what actually happened is exactly the same as in many other domains. the heads of states and heads of government of many european countries were encouraging everyone to embrace russia, to work with russia, ....
In europe. i m thinking of people like fernando rull, who s one of the leaders of the project. he s been working on this for years, and suddenly everything he had planned and worked for has been taken away from him. that s correct. i mean, how do you approach him and others on that team and say, you know what, it s all off ? that is. that is painful, i tell you. and i have a large team of the exomars project manager, the exomars team, there are several people in esa, but also in industry. and it is true, they have been working for. it s their career, so they have worked ten, 15 years on building up this mission. it s ready. in fact, we have done everything we need to do to get on to mars, taking off from baikonur in september this year. and, of course, now we have stopped it. cos there s no plan b in terms of actually. i m not saying. ..getting you to mars. i m not saying there s no plan b. if i m not telling you the plan b, it s because we don t ....