everybody standing shoulder to shoulder and nobody was going to break. as more information came out. more people started to testify, there were few like g gordon would nut t put his happened over the candle. people started breaking and they started telling the truth. you have mark meadows may have inadvertically done it. this was not done behind closed door. you have all of these staffers that saw as their capitol was being be sieged by rioters and insurrections. a president remaining silent and people begging into speak out. yes, you have mark meadows but you have these teaming masks of staff members who are willing to talk to the committee.