port city of 1 million people. for so long, idea are been hearing from military analysts that any shelling we were seeing in odesa was simply a distraction. that doesn t seem to be the case right now. looks like russia is serious on trying to take ukrainians south on basically making ukraine a land-locked country. for this, we see that some unexplained activity is going on where are local russian proxies reported that ukrainians are targeting transmissia. which is not true. and the frontline city in ukraine s south is also increasingly attacked. we expect russia will continue its offensive in that reej aren.
and unfortunately, odesa may be next. and we ve seen the relentless att attacks in the east. and on saturday, the school building turned to rubble. 60 people most likely dead. what are you learning from that city and that village, i should say, with the more than 30 rescued from the rubble? unfortunately, with in cities in eastern and southeast ukraine, it s impossible to catch the civilian victims because they re constantly shelled. we know this happened in mariupol where russia bond a trauma theater and we still don t know the exact number of casualties, which range from 300 to 6000. here we currently have knowledge
the borders this conflict will have ramifications. very much what the deputy mayor of lviv has told me, not just the impact on the economy but the millions displaced in ukraine. 7.7 million. sebastian joining us from london. and a journalist with independent kyiv. goode morning to you. we ve seen the port city being pounded in the last few days. and can ukrainian forces hold their ground in this large city? at first russians have to take it to encircle odesa. the thing is until recently, it was spared and now we see russians are focusing on the
studied him closely for more than a quarter of a century and all of the things your father knew about putin and what you have learned, what do you think his long game is? this is what he said. as you think about the decision to invade for vladimir putin, what was it about and how do you think it ends? this is a man from the kgb who has an embrace of czarist russia narrative that he wants for his own. what does that mean tactically? that means kyiv and odesa, the two principle capitals of czarist russia of the past that he wants to be remembered as resurrecting. but he has to ask himself, if he holds those capitals and everything else is totally falling apart around him, did that have the kind of benefit in terms of his legacy that he wanted? because that s what he is going to get. you know, joe and mika, i
think the think about think about my conversation with mark, it was fantastic, as you can imagine. mika, i know you have sung his praises since i first met you and we spent a bunch of time together. the thing about the answer i loved, and, joe, you might have thoughts about this, is the precision of the answer. a lot of people say vladimir putin is trying to rebuild the old soviet union. but the way in which he went to what are the key elements of czarist russia? odesa and kyiv. that s what he is really all about here. i don t know whether it will turn out to be true, but the concreteness and the precision of the answer and how it fits into mark s perception of putin s war, view of ideology and historical messiah, i thought it was key. we were talking about the russians and how tied they are to history. mark s answer perfectly, you know, perfectly describes that. i recently met a russian