think the think about -- think about my conversation with mark, it was fantastic, as you can imagine. mika, i know you have sung his praises since i first met you and we spent a bunch of time together. the thing about the answer i loved, and, joe, you might have thoughts about this, is the precision of the answer. a lot of people say vladimir putin is trying to rebuild the old soviet union. but the way in which he went to what are the key elements of czarist russia? odesa and kyiv. that's what he is really all about here. i don't know whether it will turn out to be true, but the concreteness and the precision of the answer and how it fits into mark's perception of putin's war, view of ideology and historical messiah, i thought it was key. >> we were talking about the russians and how tied they are to history. mark's answer perfectly, you know, perfectly describes that. i recently met a russian