being like everyone else gives you this boost of empathy and i m so thankful for that. i don t know what it would be like if i didn t have that but i just feel like it puts me in this position to trust and understand and believe people that they are going through whatever they say they are going through. i agree with you on the empathy thing. it is huge. otherwise i feel like i would be you know, i m privileged in many ways but at least it s allowed me a different way of seeing things which is beneficial. do i need to ask you about the president s stuff. so when okay. i want to play what started this in the public mind about the white house thing. [ bleep ] going to the white house. no, i m not going to the white house. we re not going to be invited. you re not going to be invited? i doubt it. that was actually shot awhile ago i understand. it was shot by some crew.
and obviously a lot of friends i know and people i know how much struggle there is and just in my own life, i m not i feel like i m not affected by homophobia. it s there and i feel it in part of my everyday day life and having that perspective of not being like everyone else gives you this boost of empathy and i m so thankful for that. i don t know what it would be like if i didn t have that but i just feel like it puts me in this position to trust and understand and believe people that they are going through whatever they say they are going through. i agree with you on the empathy thing. it is huge. otherwise i feel like i would be you know, i m privileged in many ways but at least it s allowed me a different way of seeing things which is beneficial. do i need to ask you about the president s stuff. so when okay.
and, you know, on the issue of ann couture, you say on white house messaging, that s a gift to president trump. when she says that. when she says that. and, you know, he doesn t have to go full triangulation of bill clinton, but, you know, what my former boss used to tell me is you know you re doing something right when both sides are criticizing you. the far right and the far left. he s got a place here, but he seems so intent on either pleasing his base or so afraid of disappointing his base, and that s a characteristic of the whole presidency. that he only seems to govern for the people who voted for him. the empathy thing is fascinating to me also. that s the wildcard here if the the difference between this shutdown and other shutdowns is that you have a president who is not perceived as having empathy for the people who are suffering from the shutdown and that s having an impact. errol, another development over the weekend, the vice president of the united states went out
, who could see their information, friends or friends or friends or actually third party app they will have problems and as i said before the ftc, congress this could go on for some time. neil: i think you re right. you know, heather having covered a lot of this over many years, and gary b. would remind folks decades, i notice too, a man or woman in the technology industry they re geniuses they have to be but they they re big on the iq, as i was saying during the break but not on the eq, not big on the empathy thing, because they re that smart but they forget because there was an exception to this steve jobs who was very passionate could easily get angry, but he definitely had empathy and i wonder what zuckerberg has to do to get in that steve jobs motife. it s hard for them. i don t think he can do it. yes he may be lacking emotional
and i m tired of it. bullying. that s a reference to the president of the united states. it s a direct reference, and from someone we don t hear talking all that much. i think those words will resonate, at least with some. not perhaps with the president s base, who of course are no fan of john mccain. that s the thing. if after a talk with the family he couldn t hold his promise to not do these kinds of things, it s unlikely that he ll stop doing this. it s almost like he can t help himself. it goes back to the empathy thing. he seems to lack an empathy gene. john mccain is battling cancer. he s very ill. the president just can t help but kind of tease him and criticize him in front of a crowd. he did cast a vote the president didn t like. policy is fair game. was it the idea he shouldn t in a public crowd just because he should have the empathy to know? is that the line? well, i think he likes a crowd, and he probably knew what he was going to get. some of that is on the cro