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January 6th because i felt that donald trump did not meet the moment. i knew that his election lies were lies. i felt like on that day, when we watched all that violence unfold, he chose to sit back and not take action. that s because he didn t want to. he saw nothing wrong with it. he thought these people were fighting for him. he simply couldn t accept the fact he lost to joe biden. now i think three years later to see politicians like donald trump and elise stefanik white washing events of that day and saying these january 6th rioters are, quote, unquote, hostages is insane, especially when we re seeing actual hostages in gaza and the things they re dealing with and equating that to people who broke the law and illegally entered the capitol and beat up police officers. i think it s disgusting and unsurprising, unfortunately, from those two. maybe we put it in the ....
announcer: this is cnn breaking news. happening right now in a new york courtroom, you re seeing the outside picture there, closing arguments in donald trump s $370 million civil fraud trial, a trial that s put the fate of his business empire on the line. the former president is in court right now listening as his legal team is laying out their closing arguments. they have until 12:45 to finish those closing arguments. trump s attorney christopher kise began by saying that no witnesses testified to any fraud. before saying anything else, he made a political argument, attacking the attorney general s office that brought this case. he said, quote, this entire case is a manufactured claim to serve a political agenda. it has always been press releases and posturing, but no proof at all. again, as we said, trump s team ....
Presented. the judge arthur engoron has stepped in a couple times. yeah. the first time he stepped in is when kise referred to trump as an industry expert in commercial real estate. intelligent minds could have a debate whether he s considered an expert. it s a technical term in court. the judge said, stop, he s not been qualified as an expert. that s a technicality. a few other times the judge interrupted. what he s doing is preserving the record for appeal. he knows his decision is going to be appealed almost immediately. he s making sure to protect the record and interrupt every time he thinks there s something he needs to step in. donald trump has been sitting and listening and watching this. there was an issue over the last 24 hours because trump, they said, wanted to take part in the closing arguments. ....
To consider that. there s some other things here. ever since he made the break from donald trump he s come through. he is backed up by the paper, to an extent. the numbers are different. the person drawing the link between the paper and donald trump is largely michael cohen. caroline, what do you think about this? how much of a factor could this part of the argument be for the judge who will be the one who decides the damages? that s a good point. i agree, michael cohen, i think, is more of a pivotal witness in the next trial, not so much this one, because we always talk about the distinction of a criminal trial versus civil. it s less about the intent, the motivation, where live witnesses ....
Took contemoraneous notes. as a former fbi investigator, frank, how happy would you be to have that quote? you re too honest from the defendant. boy, that stands out. some newspaper somewhere should have made that their headline because that really if there s one thing we all want to be accused of in any career we have is, hey, you re too honest, right? yeah. that says it all. that says it all about trump s mindset. i know this is wrong and god darn it you re getting in the way with this honesty of yours. it really jumps out. what does it say about one of the star witnesses that we re probably going to see if this goes to trial? well, it s going to be mike pence. it s going to be mike pence. mark meadows stands out to me, katie, somebody who is absent. he appears four times in the indictment. he s not a coconspirator and not listed. what do we know about whether he is a cooperating witness? ....