sexual abuse former president. but also the most important trial of our life times. the united states of america versus donald trump. tomorrow, trump will be arraigned in a washington, d.c. courtroom. he s expected to plead not guilty to four criminal counts, conspiracy to defraud the united states, conspiracy to obstruct, conspiracy to violate the right to vote and obstruction of an official proceeding. this latest indictment of the former president handed down by special counsel jack smith is an incredibly detailed and damning account of an attempt to subvert democracy and forcibly overturn the 2020 election. it pulls from first-hand accounts including people very close to the president and sets up a potential block buster trial with star witnesses, including his former vice president and countless maga senators and members of the and members of congress. the core of the case is broken down into three parts. the first part details how trump was fully aware that he lost th
Took contemoraneous notes. as a former fbi investigator, frank, how happy would you be to have that quote? you re too honest from the defendant. boy, that stands out. some newspaper somewhere should have made that their headline because that really if there s one thing we all want to be accused of in any career we have is, hey, you re too honest, right? yeah. that says it all. that says it all about trump s mindset. i know this is wrong and god darn it you re getting in the way with this honesty of yours. it really jumps out. what does it say about one of the star witnesses that we re probably going to see if this goes to trial? well, it s going to be mike pence. it s going to be mike pence. mark meadows stands out to me, katie, somebody who is absent. he appears four times in the indictment. he s not a coconspirator and not listed. what do we know about whether he is a cooperating witness?
Officials, to mark meadows. five of the six unindicted coconspirators, unindicted at this moment, they might be indicted later, five of the six are lawyers. lawyers, yeah. so, that s going to advance trump s well, these lawyers told me i could do it, but john, the special counsel, he anticipates that, so he has a whole list of lawyers who said just the opposite. yeah. the acting attorney general. the acting deputy attorney general. the white house counsel. trump s own campaign manager told him there was no fraud in this election. the most damning evidence against trump, it s new in the indictment, paragraph 90 which says that trump told pence he was too honest. you don t get more corroboration about criminal intent. yeah. than those words. and by the way, mike pence
Expect that there will be some sort of, you know, attempt to reconstruct this investigation, to see if there are holes, to see if there are moves that were made that were sloppy, not careful or somehow violated somebody s civil liberties. this will be highly scrutinized for years to come. so i don t think it should be a surprise that it did take two and a half years to put together this indictment. yeah. and paul, let s go to the indictment. here it is. it is i hope people will read it, 45 pages and double spaced for a slow reader like me. the other person who will get criticized is the judge. let s talk about her for just a moment. you know this judge. her name is tawnya, jamaican born. sounds very no nonsense, confirmed 95-0. so obviously she had bipartisan support when she came in. i can first say i ll petition the special counsel to see if you can do the opening statement in the trial because your opening to this show got me hyped. you re right. this was about any kind of gra
i think that we know that mark meadows has a really great lawyer who would not allow mark meadows to speak to the fbi or speak to the justice department unless he felt that he had to. but speaking to the justice department and providing information does not mean you re cooperating. it doesn t mean that you re helping. it means you re asking the questions that you know you have to. and i think that s kind of what we see in this indictment. he s there. he s in georgia. he talks about the things that he saw. he talks about the things that he told the president about georgia. he feels that they did look into the fraud allegations and they weren t true. and that s pretty much all the information he was willing to provide. so, interesting to see if mark meadows had to take the stand and i would guess that he would, i think the prosecution would be careful with him because he s not necessarily going to help or hurt them. it s hard to tell. we really i hope this trial is televised. but i