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Transcripts for MSNBC The 11th Hour With Stephanie Ruhle 20240604 03:06:00

we i think there are two really significant things in the reporting, one is this focus on obstruction of justice. because i think that is the key to this case, and what makes it different from the kind of inadvertent retention that we see from joe biden and mike pence. it isn t so much that he has these documents but that he was evading the efforts of the department of justice to get them back. typically, cases involving this handling of classified documents are not charged criminally unless there is the presence of some aggravating factor and obstruction of justice would be one of those factors. so, that seems important to me. the other is the reporting that one of these subpoenas was for the trump organization s records related to the saudi backed golf league. connecting that up with an investigation into classified documents which causes me to wonder a lot of things. certainly, there is no answer to these things that we know, but is there some connection that perhaps there is some

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Transcripts for MSNBC The 11th Hour With Stephanie Ruhle 20240604 03:09:00

donald trump s involvement if there s any charges related to the january 6th attack itself. you know, this is a big win for doj because this was a big challenge, the sort of one for the gold here and they went for this case that involved seditious conspiracy charges and got 4 to 5 counts. and, it s very explainable why that bit count didn t go through. but they also kind of illustrate that the jury was playing very close attention to the evidence here and wasn t giving prosecutors everything that they wanted. because we have a conviction that comes back not guilty. they could, say this is what the jury fact. this is the, evidence and they found there was enough evidence to support the conspiracy decision. it s not really a win for dominic. as you see there, they re holding that shield because he still has significant criminal exposure. and was convicted of, as you said a felony in connection with the january 6th attack. so, it s not as though sentencing is going to be a walk in the par

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Transcripts for MSNBC The 11th Hour With Stephanie Ruhle 20240604 03:01:00

donald trump. then, new ethics questions about supreme court justice, clarence thomas. and a billionaire donor. and, with just one week until title 42 inspires, a look at the humanitarian crisis at the southern border as the 11th hour gets underway on this thursday night. i m simone in for stephanie ruhle. tonight, this brand-new reporting that special counsel, jack smith, is ramping up efforts to find out former president trump hid classified documents. the new york times writes, prosecutors have, quote, obtained the confidential cooperation of a person who has worked for trump at mar-a-lago. the report continues, quote, the existence of an insider witness, whose identity has not been disclosed could be a significant step in the investigation. this news comes just hours after the justice department scored a critical win in its

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Transcripts for MSNBC The 11th Hour With Stephanie Ruhle 20240604 06:13:00

we see the video, what is the holdup? what is your reporting telling you about where the special council is in relation to donald trump some statements? our sense of the investigation related to january six is that it has moved at a slower pace than the documents investigation. and that any type of decision, related to january six would be further off than on documents. we ve seen a flurry of action recently, on documents that sort of has given the sense that there is momentum there. at the same time, we are not jack smith and we don t have this ability into how he s going to make the decision and move forward. the other sense about january six is that it just you know, different legal experts will give you different opinions about it. that a prosecution of the

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Transcripts for MSNBC The 11th Hour With Stephanie Ruhle 20240604 06:05:00

designed to obstruct the investigation. we have to remember this is an investigation that is not only looking at how donald trump handled classified materials, but also whether he and his aides and lawyers obstructed that investigation, took steps to throw sand in the gears of how the justice department and national archives were trying to get these materials back. this story also has information about a flurry of new subpoenas that have gone out and how one of those subpoenas, that wants the trump organization asked for information related to liv golf. that is the saudi backed golf tour that is connected with donald trump in the years since he ran office. so, barbara, you re our veteran federal prosecutor here. hearing all of this from

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