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Or it was an individual who was saying, well, i ll take the initiative. what we do know, by voice intercepts that the separatists, the leader of the separatists claimed credit for downing another aircraft. and then, of course, quickly, they removed it from the website so, you know, culpability is across the board. whoever provided that sa-11 or it was a captured sa-11, that s to be determined. and the tragedy and the blame will go on for some time. david, whether this was intentional work or whether it was an accident by russian rebels, do you think that those rebels then will back off a bit? or will we see an escalation? there s been no indication that they re going to back off at this point, other than the fact that they have let some people go on to the site. they ve allowed them to get in there and start doing some
Kept out of the crash site, it s going to be much more difficult to prove culpability. and i think that that fits what moscow wants. they want this to be declared an accident. they don t want it to be, you know, marking what they re trying to accomplish there in eastern ukraine. all right, well, david, when it comes to, you know, the crash site itself do you think it is going to take force by somebody else to overtake these rebels and get in? or do you think there can be some sort of negotiation? well, i think they have to try both aspects. they have to try to negotiate. but if it doesn t work within a day, we need to start moving in and someone needs to go in there and secure that site. in some manner. i know that s not an easy task. but it has to be done. it really has to be done. if the evidence has already been damaged to a point of irretrievability, which i don t think has happened, actually from the pictures that we re
Mcginnis and david zusi. what s your opinion about what happened here? well, victor, with sa-11 undisputably within the hands of the separatists and they re out of control of russian and ukrainian air defense capabilities and monitoring radar. and, of course, over the last week, we ve had at least three downings of aircraft by separatists, according to the president s statement yesterday, that it would appear as if this was mistakenly identified, the flight 17 by separatists and therefore, engaged. and certainly within the capability of a surface-to-air missile 11 by separatists who probably have been trained or perhaps deserted the ukrainian side and understands how to use the weapon, it was engaged. now, important the people s republic of donetsk, the separatist regime there, gave the order.